Dear Brother Eric
I have just listened to your show. It was a fascinating & enlightening look into prophetic scripture. This is the first one of your own shows that I have had the opportunity to check out. It would be beneficial for many to have these posted on a web archive, as Greg Szymanski does with his Investigative Journal Audio Archives. Here's hoping that this is possible, as there are few who combine such a strong love of scripture with such a rigorous, keen, analytical & methodical investigative mind & thus these studies deserve a wider audience.
If you have any further comments to make on my points below, then please feel free to do so.
Brother Troy.
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From: eric@vaticanassassins.org
Subject: Re: DISPENSATIONALISM, JESUIT FUTURISM, PROTESTANT HISTORICISM, 10 COMMANDMENTS, SABBATH, JESUS, PAUL
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:27:27 -0400
Dear Brother Troy,
I shall address these questions on my show today, Friday, April4, 2008.
Brother Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: troy_space@hotmail.com
To: eric jon phelps ; troy
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 8:52 PM
Subject: DISPENSATIONALISM, JESUIT FUTURISM, PROTESTANT HISTORICISM, 10 COMMANDMENTS, SABBATH, JESUS, PAUL
Dear Brother Eric
If you can find the time to read the reasonably brief article that I have listed below on Jesuit Futurism v Protestant Historicism & its implications for Dispensationalism, then there are some questions that I have which I would be truly thankful if you could provide some insight on. Apologies in advance for the number of questions!
O.K.
Some of the tenets referred to in the article (the 'gap' placing of the 70th week; the Antichrist to come) are embraced by yourself.
Agreed.
I have listed below that a posting on my blogpage that I have sent you before, which is a compilation of statements that you have made via email to people on your list regarding the prophecies of Daniel & Revelation & the antichrist references in 1 & 2 John.
I read 1 John 2:18 as revealing that there are both many antichrists from the time of that verse's writing & one (ultimate) Antichrist to come.
Agreed.
I would like to know if this article ("Left Behind by the Jesuits") in any way makes you reconsider your position on any elements of prophecy & Dispensationalism.
No, I have reconsidered the issue in the past and concluded there is a Jesuit futurism and a biblical
futurism. The first futurism is a cover for the pope causing the believer to remove his eye from Rome, and the second keeps the believer's eye on Rome while anticipating clearly prophecied biblical events.
I appreciate your making me aware of Dispensationalism as it has made sense of what would otherwise be apparent contradictions, but there are several different types, so I have discovered, & thus is even more confusing, causing many more questions.
Understood.
Brother Eric, which stream of Dispensationalism, if any, do you see as being closest to the truth?
Biblical dispensationalism that does not remove your attention from Rome.
Also:
- Previously you had stated in answer to one of my questions about the observance of the Sabbath & the Ten Commandments that we are no longer under them in this dispensation. Which chapter(s) & verse(s) explicate or imply this?
We are under no part of the Mosaic Law given to Israel including the 10 commandments (Romans 6:14; Galatians 2:16). However, the Sabbath was given prior to the Abrahamic Covenant, the Mosaic Covenant, the Davidic Covenant and the New Covenant. The keeping of the Sabbath, not for salvation but as an act of obedience, was intended to be for all peoples, not just the Hebrews. Further, the keeping of the Seventh Day divorces any identity between true-Bible believers and the sun-worship of Rome lrf by her Priest-King of Babylon, the pope.
- Did Jesus not preach adherance to the Torah, to Jewish Law & saw himself as a faithful Jew?
Yes, but that ended with Israel's rejection of her Messiah, Christ's passion, his resurrection and ascension. On the Day of Penetcost, a new dispensation began which maxims would be fully developed by the steward of the new dispensation, the apostle Paul.
& was it not Paul's message based on his own revelations which became the new religion, Christianity?
The inspired writings of the apostle Paul are the foundation for the New Testament Church/Assembly composed of both Jews and Gentiles on an equal footing in one Body of Christ. This dispensation of grace (Ephesians 3:2) exists during this present evil age (Gal. 1:4). This age began with the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1) and will end with the appearing of Christ for the dead and living bodies of his saints (I Thess. 4:13-18). This imminent appearing of Christ is before the 70th week of Daniel as the Body of Christ did not exist either in the first 483 years of Dan. 9:24-26, nor will it exist in the last seven years of that prophecy (Dan. 9:27). This age is a mystery entirely kept secret in the Old Testament but revealed to the Apostle Paul (Ephesians 3:4-8; Romans 16:25).
I'd be interested to know what your thoughts are on this seeming paradox & if indeed you consider it to be thus whether or not you consider this to be problematic & if not, then what your take on this is.
This is no paradox or rather a contradiction in scripture. We are merely rightly dividing the word of truth as we read the scripture literally withoug adding any private interpretation on our part.
Finally (for now!): How does the stream of Dispensationalism that you endorse (referred to above) reconcile or explain my previous points on Jesus & Paul's respective messages.
Jesus was and is the steward for the re-established geopolical-international theocracy of the kingdom of David. That kingdom is called the "dispensation of the fulness of times" (Eph. 1:10). Paul is the steward for the "dispensation of the grace of God" during which the Church which is the Body of Christ now exists. There is no contradiction as two different dispensations with different rules can exist at the same time during the same age.
I'd be most thankful for any Biblical references that you can give as evidence.
Hopefully this will benefit us both (& others). With great appreciation for your time & help,
In Christ -
Brother Troy
P.S. I know that you don't endorse John Birch Society member Tim LaHaye, so don't worry! ;D
I did not know LaHaye was a Bircher. That speaks volumes.
Brother Eric
REFERENCES:
'LEFT BEHIND BY THE JESUITS' by Steve Wohlberg
http://www.lmn.org/magazine/170/Jesuits.html
ERIC PHELPS: BIBLICAL PROPHECY & REVELATION Q&A SESSIONS
http://troyspace.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/eric-phelps-biblical-prophecy-revelation-q-a-sessions/
I have just listened to your show. It was a fascinating & enlightening look into prophetic scripture. This is the first one of your own shows that I have had the opportunity to check out. It would be beneficial for many to have these posted on a web archive, as Greg Szymanski does with his Investigative Journal Audio Archives. Here's hoping that this is possible, as there are few who combine such a strong love of scripture with such a rigorous, keen, analytical & methodical investigative mind & thus these studies deserve a wider audience.
If you have any further comments to make on my points below, then please feel free to do so.
Brother Troy.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: eric@vaticanassassins.org
Subject: Re: DISPENSATIONALISM, JESUIT FUTURISM, PROTESTANT HISTORICISM, 10 COMMANDMENTS, SABBATH, JESUS, PAUL
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:27:27 -0400
Dear Brother Troy,
I shall address these questions on my show today, Friday, April4, 2008.
Brother Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: troy_space@hotmail.com
To: eric jon phelps ; troy
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 8:52 PM
Subject: DISPENSATIONALISM, JESUIT FUTURISM, PROTESTANT HISTORICISM, 10 COMMANDMENTS, SABBATH, JESUS, PAUL
Dear Brother Eric
If you can find the time to read the reasonably brief article that I have listed below on Jesuit Futurism v Protestant Historicism & its implications for Dispensationalism, then there are some questions that I have which I would be truly thankful if you could provide some insight on. Apologies in advance for the number of questions!
O.K.
Some of the tenets referred to in the article (the 'gap' placing of the 70th week; the Antichrist to come) are embraced by yourself.
Agreed.
I have listed below that a posting on my blogpage that I have sent you before, which is a compilation of statements that you have made via email to people on your list regarding the prophecies of Daniel & Revelation & the antichrist references in 1 & 2 John.
I read 1 John 2:18 as revealing that there are both many antichrists from the time of that verse's writing & one (ultimate) Antichrist to come.
Agreed.
I would like to know if this article ("Left Behind by the Jesuits") in any way makes you reconsider your position on any elements of prophecy & Dispensationalism.
No, I have reconsidered the issue in the past and concluded there is a Jesuit futurism and a biblical
futurism. The first futurism is a cover for the pope causing the believer to remove his eye from Rome, and the second keeps the believer's eye on Rome while anticipating clearly prophecied biblical events.
I appreciate your making me aware of Dispensationalism as it has made sense of what would otherwise be apparent contradictions, but there are several different types, so I have discovered, & thus is even more confusing, causing many more questions.
Understood.
Brother Eric, which stream of Dispensationalism, if any, do you see as being closest to the truth?
Biblical dispensationalism that does not remove your attention from Rome.
Also:
- Previously you had stated in answer to one of my questions about the observance of the Sabbath & the Ten Commandments that we are no longer under them in this dispensation. Which chapter(s) & verse(s) explicate or imply this?
We are under no part of the Mosaic Law given to Israel including the 10 commandments (Romans 6:14; Galatians 2:16). However, the Sabbath was given prior to the Abrahamic Covenant, the Mosaic Covenant, the Davidic Covenant and the New Covenant. The keeping of the Sabbath, not for salvation but as an act of obedience, was intended to be for all peoples, not just the Hebrews. Further, the keeping of the Seventh Day divorces any identity between true-Bible believers and the sun-worship of Rome lrf by her Priest-King of Babylon, the pope.
- Did Jesus not preach adherance to the Torah, to Jewish Law & saw himself as a faithful Jew?
Yes, but that ended with Israel's rejection of her Messiah, Christ's passion, his resurrection and ascension. On the Day of Penetcost, a new dispensation began which maxims would be fully developed by the steward of the new dispensation, the apostle Paul.
& was it not Paul's message based on his own revelations which became the new religion, Christianity?
The inspired writings of the apostle Paul are the foundation for the New Testament Church/Assembly composed of both Jews and Gentiles on an equal footing in one Body of Christ. This dispensation of grace (Ephesians 3:2) exists during this present evil age (Gal. 1:4). This age began with the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1) and will end with the appearing of Christ for the dead and living bodies of his saints (I Thess. 4:13-18). This imminent appearing of Christ is before the 70th week of Daniel as the Body of Christ did not exist either in the first 483 years of Dan. 9:24-26, nor will it exist in the last seven years of that prophecy (Dan. 9:27). This age is a mystery entirely kept secret in the Old Testament but revealed to the Apostle Paul (Ephesians 3:4-8; Romans 16:25).
I'd be interested to know what your thoughts are on this seeming paradox & if indeed you consider it to be thus whether or not you consider this to be problematic & if not, then what your take on this is.
This is no paradox or rather a contradiction in scripture. We are merely rightly dividing the word of truth as we read the scripture literally withoug adding any private interpretation on our part.
Finally (for now!): How does the stream of Dispensationalism that you endorse (referred to above) reconcile or explain my previous points on Jesus & Paul's respective messages.
Jesus was and is the steward for the re-established geopolical-international theocracy of the kingdom of David. That kingdom is called the "dispensation of the fulness of times" (Eph. 1:10). Paul is the steward for the "dispensation of the grace of God" during which the Church which is the Body of Christ now exists. There is no contradiction as two different dispensations with different rules can exist at the same time during the same age.
I'd be most thankful for any Biblical references that you can give as evidence.
Hopefully this will benefit us both (& others). With great appreciation for your time & help,
In Christ -
Brother Troy
P.S. I know that you don't endorse John Birch Society member Tim LaHaye, so don't worry! ;D
I did not know LaHaye was a Bircher. That speaks volumes.
Brother Eric
REFERENCES:
'LEFT BEHIND BY THE JESUITS' by Steve Wohlberg
http://www.lmn.org/magazine/170/Jesuits.html
ERIC PHELPS: BIBLICAL PROPHECY & REVELATION Q&A SESSIONS
http://troyspace.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/eric-phelps-biblical-prophecy-revelation-q-a-sessions/
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Monday, April 07, 2008 6:19 PM
Subject: Roman Catholicism is NOT Biblical Christianity
This is a declaration of Truth before the pope comes to visit the US next week, when there is likely to be
a flood of corporate media headlines (CFR-controlled; e.g., Rupert Murdoch of NewsCorp., over FOX News,
is a CFR-member; as is Diane Sawyer (ABC); Katie Couric (CBS); and Jim Lehrer/Judy Woodruff (PBS News Hour),
et al.); and ecumenical CNP-member "Christian" mega-ministry leaders (e.g., Pat Robertson, James Dobson)
portraying the pope as a "Christian" leader, and Roman Catholicism, as representative of the "Christian" church -
neither of which is true. The pope is not even saved, he is lost and going to hell unless he repents, and
Roman Catholicism is NOT Biblical Christianity.
When the pope comes to the US next week, beginning with a visit to the White House on April 16 to reward
his NWO servant George W. Bush, do not be deceived !!!
The New World Order:
One-World Government (UN, EU, NAFTA, WTO, CAFTA, SPP, NAU, ad nauseam)
One-World Money (euro, amero, World Bank, IMF, ad nauseam)
One-World Religion (ecumenism under Rome's Vatican)
Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) Membership Roster
www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/CFRMembers.html
Steve Lefemine
April 7, 2008
Subject: Roman Catholicism is NOT Biblical Christianity
This is a declaration of Truth before the pope comes to visit the US next week, when there is likely to be
a flood of corporate media headlines (CFR-controlled; e.g., Rupert Murdoch of NewsCorp., over FOX News,
is a CFR-member; as is Diane Sawyer (ABC); Katie Couric (CBS); and Jim Lehrer/Judy Woodruff (PBS News Hour),
et al.); and ecumenical CNP-member "Christian" mega-ministry leaders (e.g., Pat Robertson, James Dobson)
portraying the pope as a "Christian" leader, and Roman Catholicism, as representative of the "Christian" church -
neither of which is true. The pope is not even saved, he is lost and going to hell unless he repents, and
Roman Catholicism is NOT Biblical Christianity.
When the pope comes to the US next week, beginning with a visit to the White House on April 16 to reward
his NWO servant George W. Bush, do not be deceived !!!
The New World Order:
One-World Government (UN, EU, NAFTA, WTO, CAFTA, SPP, NAU, ad nauseam)
One-World Money (euro, amero, World Bank, IMF, ad nauseam)
One-World Religion (ecumenism under Rome's Vatican)
Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) Membership Roster
www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/CFRMembers.html
Steve Lefemine
April 7, 2008
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