Dear Timothy,
Thank you so much for all this info! I definitely would like to incorporate this into an article against Watch Unto Prayer. Would you also like me to post this as a reader's viewpoint? I can use just your first name, if you'd like, or keep you totally anonymous....
Shalom and God bless!
Carmen @ The Refiner's Fire
Website: http://www.therefinersfire.org/
(The website that works for God's approval; not man's applause.)
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From: resurrection 4ever [mailto:truthseeker24736587@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:29 AMTo: Carmen@therefinersfire.orgSubject: Re: On Watch Unto Prayer Ministries
Dear Carmen,
It seems like the anti-Semites are getting bolder and bolder. For years, I've looked at the site of Watch Unto Prayer Ministries. Unfortunately, they began anti-Semitic strongly last year. There link of http://www.watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html claims that Mystery Babylon is not Gentile and the Roman Catholic Church, but the Jewish people which is a lie. They also lie and said that all of the Lost Tribes were done after the First Temple was destroyed. In truth, even the NT mentioned many Lost Tribes like Asher in the New Testament. Peter mentioned the all of the tribes of Israel in the Bible. Even Paul himself was from the tribe of Benjamin, so more tribes than just Judah remained in Israel during the time of Jesus Christ. The link above is fill with lies and half-Truths. I've refuted it on many levels. They accept the existence of the Priory de Sion which according to Christian Mary Ann Collins existed only from 1100 to 1600. Plantard admitted that his modern Priory de Sion was a hoax. Also, Roman Catholicism was influenced from the Mysteries of Babylon not true Judaism at all. That's something that they don't get. You can even write a response to them on your site if you wish. Their main link is at http://www.watch.pair.com/ . Here's a basis exegesis that I wrote about them:
-The Bible says that All Israel” is used in Ezra 2:70, 6:17; 8:22, 35; 10:5, and in Nehemiah 7:73; 12:47.
-The return of the tribes also are from Ezra 2:1-2, and that Jesus Christ is the King of the Jews (Mt. 27:37).
-Jesus Christ is called the King of Israel (the twelve tribes) in Mt. 27:42 and John 12:9-13). The Magi called Christ King of the Jews (Mt. 27:11), Luke 2:36 mentions Asher
-John 4:19-26, Jesus said that salvation is from the Jews, Paul (from the tribe of Benjamin) is called a Jew in Acts 1:39, In Acts 18:24, there is a Jew named Apollos, native of Alexandria, Egypt, and Anyone who hates his fellow man is a murderer. (1 John 2:9-11, 1 John 3:15)
Israel is the apple of God's eye in Zech. 2:7-11.
-These people are right that Christians are spiritual sons of Abraham (Romans 4), that a Gentile believer is a spiritual Jew, not physical (Romans 2:29), and that Gentiles are grafted into the olive tree and inheritance the blessings that God gave unto Abraham (Romans 11:17). They are wrong that God is totally finished with Israel 100%. Genesis 12:1-3 was the promise to Abraham and his seed to have the land of Israel as an eternal possession and an eternal covenant. If this was replaced for the Church, why have this covenant made in ca. 2,000 B.C. before the Church existed. It was meant for the Hebrews.
-I've read much of Romans 9, 10, and 11 and it's meant for national Israel. Paul clearly wrote that God never cast away his people (the Jewish people) in Romans 11:1-23. That is the smoking gun, which refutes Replacement theology. To totally fulfill Bible prophecy, there must be a Third Hebrew Temple for the abomination of desolations (Daniel 9, Matthew 14:15), the restoration of Israel and the city of Jerusalem so the Messiah will come. -Without the Jews in the land of Eretz Yisrael presently (Ezekiel 38:8), there is no Second coming of Christ to deliver the Jewish people from annihiliation (Joel 2:2), so the Davidic Kingdom can be formed.
-Now, the Bible clearly states that there will be a national conversion of Jewish people at the 2nd coming of Christ (Zechariah 12:10).
I also saw one of your article refuting someone about the media. The truth is that there are more Gentiles in the media than Jewish people. Jack Parson is the head of AOL Time Warner and he's a Gentile. George J. Mitchell is the real Chairman of the Disney company, not Eisner and The CEO/Chairman of AT&T is Edward Whitacre, Jr. who's a Gentile, not Jewish at all.
Good luck in your endeavors.
By Timothy
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Email #2:
From:
"Carmen"
To:
"'resurrection 4ever'"
Subject:
RE: On Watch Unto Prayer Ministries P.S.
Date:
Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:01:51 -0600
Thank you for writing to The Refiner's Fire! I'll check this out....
Shalom and God bless!
Carmen @ The Refiner's Fire
Website: http://www.therefinersfire.org/
(The website that works for God's approval; not man's applause.)
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From: resurrection 4ever [mailto:truthseeker24736587@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:49 AMTo: Carmen@therefinersfire.orgSubject: Re: On Watch Unto Prayer Ministries P.S.
P.S. Watch Unto Prayer also uses false, biased sources like Henry Ford who was an anti-Semite, 33rd Degree Freemason, and wrote a book called "The International Jew" trying to blame Jewish people for almost every problem in the world.
By Timothy
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Email #3
From:
"Carmen"
To:
"'resurrection 4ever'"
Subject:
RE: Hussein McMahon Agreement
Date:
Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:40:38 -0600
Yes, I've heard about this, and no, I would not say that it was a plot by the British but that they wanted influence and control in the Middle East - and yes they wanted to stop the Turks. Yahweh used them in the Middle East, amazingly through their mistakes to make the borders. I'm guessing they are to play an important role in the end times.
Shalom and God bless!
Carmen @ The Refiner's Fire
Website: http://www.therefinersfire.org/
(The website that works for God's approval; not man's applause.)
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From: resurrection 4ever [mailto:truthseeker24736587@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:37 AMTo: CarmenSubject: RE: Hussein McMahon Agreement
Have you heard of the Hussein McMahon Agreement?
This Husain McMahon Agreement was about the British promising the Arabic people (through Sherif Hussein of Mecca in 1915) if the the Ottoman Empire was destroyed after WWI, they will recieve their lands. The British wanted the Arab help to fight against the Turks. This is something new that I've didn't learn before. Do you think that that McMahon Agreement was a plot by the British to divide Jews and Arabs, because even in the 1920's Weizmman and Hussein were almost finding a real solution? Not to mention that the Jews and the Arabs signed an agreement in January 1919. (when Faisal Hussein (Sharif's son) was in the Arab delegation and agreed with the Jewish delegation to form a homeland in Israel.)http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/faisaltext.html is a link proving the agreement between Wiezmann and Faisal. Oh yes, Jews and Arabs worked peacefully for centuries before the Mid East crisis.
By Timothy
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