Addressing the question of the Order of the Holy Sepulchre's role & position in Rome's covert global power structure, I have just posted my analysis at:
http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=20605&st=45
so as to get to the precise truth of the matter.
Insights & responses are welcome.
In truth & awareness -
TS
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Dear Craig
Dear Craig
| QUOTE | The Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem is of far greater importance as evidenced by its Cardinal membership. I suggest one studies their role during the Crusades. Their as old as the Knights of Malta from 1099 unlike the younger Teutonic Knights, Knights Templars & Knights of Saint Lazarus. |
The above is absolutely ungrounded. Guy Stair Sainty's thorough examination of the order & its origins should be read in full, but I will post two very brief excerpts that sum up the situation & show that today's Order of the Holy Sepulchre only dates back to 1847:
http://www.chivalricorders.org/vatican/holysep.htm
| QUOTE | The origins of the Order of the Holy Sepulcher have been disputed for centuries. In this examination of the history of what is today a major Catholic Order of Knighthood, under the direct protection of the Holy See, it has been my intention to separate fact from fantasy and outline the historical development of this great institution. It now has a world-wide mission to support the Holy Places, particularly in Jerusalem, and has approximately eighteen thousand members across the globe. [1] Some sixteenth, seventeenth and eighteenth century historians claimed that the Order was founded a few years after the death of Christ, a statement unsupported by any documentary evidence and which may be dismissed as mythology. Fantastic theories, such as the Order's foundation by the Apostle Saint James, or Saint Helena, the mother of the Emperor Constantine, should be given no more credence than the Japanese tradition that their Emperor is descended from the Sun God. A set of Statutes, the Statuta et leges ordinis equ. SSmi Sepulchri Dominici., apparently dated 1 January 1099 but containing references to French Kings not born until two hundred years later, were copied and published by Jacques de Villamont in 1613, but these were invented to add greater luster to its history. [2] The authenticity of these statutes was challenged soon after Villamont's work was published and there is no surviving Papal Bull confirming or approving them; there is little doubt that they were of much later date and designed to support the legitimacy of the Order's claim to an independent foundation. Several historians of the Order have attributed the actual foundation of the Order to Godefroy, Duke of Bouillon, first Christian King of Jerusalem, after the liberation of Jerusalem in 1099. It may indeed have been possible and appropriate that some kind of "honor guard" for the Holy Sepulcher could have been established at that time, but there is no contemporary evidence of any kind to support this claim. Certainly a religious Order of Canons of the Holy Sepulcher under the Rule of Saint Augustine was founded early in the twelfth century, and this Order soon established itself across Europe and acquired great wealth. There are no contemporary documentary sources, however, which demonstrate that these Canons assumed a military function or that a group of military brothers dedicated specifically to the protection of the Holy Sepulcher was associated with them. The Order of Canons was an important institution and, in 1155, when Pope Adrian IV wrote to Raymond, Count of Barcelona he coupled the Holy Sepulcher brothers with the Hospitallers and Templars, who were of course military monks, but did not imply that the Canons were fulfilling a similar role. The common name and Pope Adrian's letter have been used by proponents of the crusader foundation of a military Order of the Holy Sepulcher as evidence that it was a similar foundation to the other two Orders. It seems much more likely, however, that the connection was simply that all three Orders had a presence and function in the Holy Land, particularly since there is no documentary evidence of any kind to suggest the Canons ever had a military mission. ... Footnotes [1] The best survey of the Order, which examines the Order's origins in detail, is Les Chevaliers du Saint-Sepulcre de Jérusalem, by Jean-Pierre de Gennes, Paris, 1995 (Herault), with an introductory letter from the Cardinal Grand Master, Cardinal Caprio. [2]In Les voyages du seigneur de Villamont français, chevalier de l'Ordre de Jérusalem, Gentilhomme ordinaire de la Chambre du Roy, etc, published at Lyon by Pierre Bernard 1613. |
Continuing:
| QUOTE | According to Pasini Frassoni, several Bulls confirmed the knights' privileges in Spain during the twelfth and thirteenth centuries, but these can have related only to the Order of Canons and no mention was made of "military knights." [34] Although both Spanish [35] and Flemish [36] knights were dubbed at the Tomb, their own Sovereign did not acknowledge the enjoyment of any particular status. With the accession of Philip II, an interest developed for a pilgrimage-crusade and the King confirmed his willingness to transform the existing Archconfraternity (associated with the Canons) into an Order or Chivalric Militia. Discouraged in this endeavor by the Pope, Philip nonetheless welcomed his election on March 26, 1558, by a group of thirty predominately Flemish knights gathered in the Church of Saint Catherine at Hoochstraaten, as Grand Master of the hitherto non-existent "Order of the Holy Sepulcher". These knights were keen that their status should be acknowledged by membership of a body with a central organization, but this had never been the purpose of according knighthoods at the Tomb. Two weeks later, on April 10th, the King announced at his Palace in Brussels that he was pleased to accept the honor, that his son and heir would be "Prince" of the Order and he would initiate a new crusade to liberate the Holy Places. An Ambassador was sent to Rome to request papal approval but word quickly reached the Grand Master of Malta. Confronted with the opposition of La Vallette, the King addressed letters to the Pope and others explaining his purpose. The death of the Pope, however, stalled the proceedings and his successor was too immersed with greater issues to give this any priority. In 1563 Philip tried again to obtain Papal support, writing not only Pius IV but to eighteen Cardinals. Once again unsuccessful Philip dropped the plan and his brief Grand Magistery came to an end. There is no record of any further attempt to maintain a military Order of the Holy Sepulcher in Spain after this date, although the Cross was certainly conceded to Spaniards by the Guardian of the Holy Places and continued to be worn. It was not until 1892 that the "Noble Chapters of the Order of the Holy Sepulcher of Madrid and Barcelona" were constituted and, in 1905, King Alfonso XIII accepted the title of "Grand Bailiff of Honour and Protector of the Order". Both the King and his brother-in-law, Prince and Infant Don Carlos of Bourbon-Sicily, were given the Collar of the Order with the special badge that is worn only by the Spanish knights. Today the two Spanish Lieutenancies alone in the Order have maintained a "noble" character, requiring proof of paternal nobility for all its members. King Juan Carlos of Spain has been awarded the Collar of the Order, as was his late father, the Count of Barcelona, and both the Prince of the Asturias and the next senior male of the Royal House of Spain, the Infant Carlos of Bourbon-Sicily, Duke of Calabria have received the Grand Cross. Numerous historic privileges have been claimed for knights of the Holy Sepulcher; the right to the title of Count Palatine (in any case abrogated by the nineteenth century reforms of the Roman nobility), precedence before the members of all other Orders except that of the Golden Fleece, the right to legitimize bastards, change baptismal names, grant arms, create notaries and hold religious benefices while married (similar extravagant privileges were granted at various times to the members of the Constantinian Order and several other Orders but all have been effectively abrogated and are unrecognized today). Such privileges were certainly never recognized as being the prerogatives of the knights appointed by the two French institutions, and there is little evidence that any European ruler recognized these privileges even for those dubbed at the Tomb of Our Lord. Appealing though it is to the modern knights and dames to imagine the privileges once enjoyed by their predecessors, we may safely assume that they were the inventions of knights compiling statutes and lists of privileges. The only real privilege was that of wearing the Cross of Jerusalem, attested to by a certificate which, over time, became an elaborate illuminated diploma reciting the journey undertaken by the pilgrim and affirming the enjoyment of the title, honor and privileges of knighthood of the Holy Sepulcher. In addition the knights could use the Cross in connections with Armorial devices and qualify himself in all public documents as a knight. The foundation of the Order as an Order of Chivalry of the Holy Roman Church is of more recent date. By a Brief dated 23 July 1847, Pius IX put the Guardian of the Holy Places under the authority of the newly re-established Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem and, in December of the same year, conceded the right to make knights to the Patriarch. This document reads, in article VIII, "all the regulations concerning the knights of the Holy Sepulcher and established earlier remain valid.. it is decreed that the conferral of this Order pertains to the Patriarch ... who may use this power in favor of those people distinguished by the integrity of their life, who have rendered remarkable services to the church and demonstrate all the other conditions required for this honor..... the sums given by the knights as dues must be employed to assist the needs of the Holy Land". At the same time the existing knights were organized into a single group, under the Patriarchal authority. Twenty-one years later, by the Brief Cum multa supienter of 24 January 1868, the same Pope reformed the Order, placing it under direct Papal control with the Patriarch as "Administrator" and "Rector" acting in the name of the Holy See. These privileges were confirmed again in 1880, with the provision that the Patriarch had to inform the Secretary of Apostolic Briefs of the names of those who had been admitted every six months. By the Brief Venerabilis frater of August 3rd, 1888, Pope Leo XIII authorized the concession of the cross in three classes to ladies who have served the church with particular merit - this became the first Order under direct Papal supervision which could be conceded to ladies. In a communication published in the Osservatore Romano on March 14, 1906, the Holy Sepulcher was included as the fifth Papal Order after Saint Sylvester with the provision that the Pope reserved to himself and the Cardinal Grand Chancellor of Equestrian Orders (a post now merged with that of Secretary of State) supreme authority, while according the Latin Patriarch the title of Grand Master and the right to award the Order. By a further reform the following year in the brief Quam multa (May 3, 1907), Saint Pius X took the title of Sovereign Head and Grand Master of the Sacred Military Order himself, appointing the Patriarch pro tempore Lieutenant of the Grand Magistery with the right to nominate knights. King Alfonso XIII of Spain was appointed Grand Bailiff and Protector of the Order in Spain at the same time. The grades of Grand Cross, Commander and Knight had been instituted in 1868, while a Grand Cordon in the form of a Collar was granted to the heads and members of several Royal Houses, including the German Emperor William II, the Archdukes Eugene (himself Grand Master of the Teutonic Order) and Josef-August of Austria, King Leopold II and the future King Albert of the Belgians, Ferdinand Pius Duke of Calabria and his wife, the King of Portugal and the Emperor of Ethiopia. The Order was divided into eleven national Lieutenancies, three Spanish and eight Italian; today there are Lieutenancies in most Catholic and many non-Catholic countries (including Great Britain) with ten in the United States (having more than seven thousand members). By an Apostolic Letter of January 6, 1928, the Pope relinquished the title of Grand Master while the Patriarch became "Perpetual Chief and Administrator" with the Order was now converted from being a Papal Order to an Order under Papal protection. [37]. A decision of July 27, 1931 followed by a decree of the Congregation of Ceremonial of August 5, 1931, substituted the title of "Equestrian" for that of "Sacred Military" which pertained to the Constantinian Order and the rank of Bailiff, which was used in the Order of Malta and the Constantinian Order, was also abolished. The Patriarch was now restored to his earlier title of Rector and Administrator and four classes were instituted (in the statutes of March 2, 1932), Grand Cross, Commander with star or Grand Officer, Commander and Knight (or Dame). The representatives of the Patriarch in the various countries were given the title of Lieutenant and the style of Excellency. Finally, so that the Order could be recognized by governments, as an Order under a foreign head of State, the diplomas of knight must receive the visa and seal of the Chancellor of Briefs (a post abolished in more recent Vatican reforms). On July 16, 1940 Cardinal Nicola Canali was appointed Protector of the Order, and thanks to his influence the Order was given new statutes by the brief Quam Romani Pontifices of September 14, 1949, with the title of Grand Master being restored for a Cardinal to be nominated by the Pope. Not surprisingly the first nominee to this post was Cardinal Canali himself, appointed on December 26, 1949, with the Patriarch becoming Grand Prior. The Order was constituted as a "Legal Entity in International Law" with its seat fixed in Rome (at the Monastery of San Onofrio). ... Footnotes: [34] Op.cit. p.47. The Hospitallers of Saint John attempt to absorb the Canons benefices was resisted by the Spanish Crown and, on 4 November 1513, Leo X separated the church of the Priory of the Canons of the Holy Sepulcher at Calatuyud from the Spanish Priory of Saint John. [35] The Spanish and Portuguese knights composed 11.5 % of those dubbed between 1500 and 1560, falling to 8% of those dubbed between 1597 and 1739 and a mere 4% of those dubbed between 1815 and 1848. [36] The Flemish composed 26% of those dubbed between 1500 and 1560 but, thanks to the disasters wrought by the Reformation, only 3% of those dubbed between 1597 and 1739, and less than 2% of those dubbed between 1815 and 1848. [37] In Great Britain this meant that the Cross of the Order was now considered to be a “badge of Religion” and permission would no longer be given for it to be worn as a foreign decoration. |
However, an analysis of the number of Cardinals who are either members of the Grand Magisterium or of the Lieutenancy of the OESSH does lend weight to its being of greater bearing then the SMOM within the world of the Roman Catholic Church, as on the Order of Malta's website's list of the members of its Government, indeed only the Grand Master Matthew Festing is accorded the "honour" of being considered one of the Pope's princes, which is usually accorded to the Pope's Cardinals - in fact the SMOM Grand Master IS considered to be a Cardinal:
http://www.orderofmalta.org/site/granmaestro.asp?idlingua=5
| QUOTE | The title of Most Eminent Highness is bestowed on the Grand Master, and the Holy Roman Church confers him the rank of Cardinal. The Grand Master resides at the Order’s seat of government in Via Condotti in Rome. |
At the same page we read:
| QUOTE | The States with which the Order has diplomatic relations recognise the Grand Master with the prerogatives, immunities and honours reserved for Heads of State. |
Are such "prerogatives, immunities and honours reserved for Heads of State" also recognised within "the States with which the Order has diplomatic relations" for the non-SMOM Cardinals, whether OESSH or otherwise?
Also worth noting:
The Franco-Neapolitan branch of the Constantinian Order alone has 31 Cardinals & 31 Diocesan & Titular (i.e. non-Cardinal Archbishops) among its members. Note too:
http://www.constantinian.com/dynastic-cons....html#apostolic
| QUOTE | His Holiness The Pope is also represented in the Order through the appointment of a personal Ecclesiastical Counsellor. |
See the full list here:
http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/09/06...antinian-order/
& see the following for a brief summary of key Cardinals who are members of the Franco-Neapoltan branch of Constantinian Order:
http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/10/05...ncis-i-members/
| QUOTE | SELECTED PROMINENT ROMAN CATHOLIC CARDINALS: http://www.constantinian.com/dynastic-cons....html#apostolic “Currently over 60 [62 to be precise - as of June 2008] cardinals and archbishops are members of the Constantinian Order and who play a very active role in the spiritual development of the Order. His Holiness The Pope is also represented in the Order through the appointment of a personal Ecclesiastical Counsellor.” * Albert Cardinal Vanhoye (French Jesuit Cardinal; the F-N CO’s Grand Prior). * Edward Cardinal Egan (Archbishop of New York [2000-present]; elevated to the College of Cardinals [Jan. 2001]; received SMOM’s Bailiff Grand Cross of Honour & Devotion immediately after; SMOM’s US Association’s Principal Chaplain; originally a SMOM Conventual Chaplain ad honorem from 1989; Association of the Order of the Holy Sepulchre’s Grand Prior; Knight of the Grand Cross (Motu Proprio) of the House of Savoy’s Order of Saints Maurice and Lazarus). * Cormac Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor (Archbishop of Westminster; F-N CO’s UK & Irish Delegation’s Prior). * Desmond Cardinal Connell (Archbishop Emeritus of Dublin & Primate of Ireland; former philosophy lecturer). * + 9 other Roman Catholic Church Cardinal Archbishops; 1 other Cardinal Archbishop Emeritus; 17 other Cardinals & 31 Diocesan & Titular Archbishops. |
The Constantinian Order has also been superior to the SMOM since at least 1878. Note that the two branches were one until 1960:
http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/10/05...ncis-i-members/
| QUOTE | SELECTED PROMINENT S.M.O.M. MEMBERS: http://www.constantinian.com/dynastic-cons...html#maltaorder “Since 1878, every Prince and Grand Master of the Order of Malta has been a senior member of the Constantinian Order … Many senior officers of the Order of Malta across the world are members of the Constantinian Order and some hold official positions within the Grand Magistry of the Constantinian Order”. * Matthew Festing (F-N CO Knight Grand Cross of Justice; First invested as a Knight of Justice in 1991; 79th Grand Master of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta [Knights of Malta]). * Fredrik Crichton-Stuart (F-N CO Knight Commander of Justice; SMOM’s Grand Prior of England). * Princess Michael of Kent (Dame Grand Cross of Justice, F-N CO British and Irish Delegation; SMOM Dame; wife of Prince Michael of Kent, the Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Mark Master Masons). |
If the Papal bloodlines are considered superior to the Society of Jesus, & the commoner Jesuit Superior-General is argued to be the master of the Pope; then surely the leading Catholic Royal orders (Order of the Golden Fleece (both Spanish & Austrian branches under the King of Spain & Otto on Habsburg respectively), the Order of St Januarius & the Constantinian Order (both Hispano-Neapolitan & Franco-Neapolitan branches for the latter two orders, under the Duke of Calabria & the Duke of Castro respectively - the F-N branch also having a Cardinal - & in fact the only current Jesuit who is a Cardinal - as its Grand Prior: the French Albert Vanhoye) should be superior to the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre, especially considering the 31 Cardinals of the F-N Constantians over the 17 of the Holy Sepulchre.
The fact that the chart plays down the importance of the Order of the Holy Sepulchre in contrast with the Order of Malta is unsurprising, the Holy Sepulchre being a far more low profile entity & no doubt preferring to remain as such. But membership of either is very easy to obtain unlike being a member of the Golden Fleece, Order of St Januarius or Constantinians, which are either exclusively royal & aristocratic or are primarily so.
To change direction now, but only in order to hopefully add some clarity to the discussion at hand, the following statement also needs addressing:
| QUOTE | Interesting how that diagram does not mention the Society of Jesus whilst it mentions the SMOM and Equestrians isn't it? |
In fact it does. Notice at the top, just below the All Seing Eye:
"Unknown Superiors".
This is the Superior Inconnu, the SI, the Societe de Iesus/Jesus: the Jesuits, whose members are the top ranks of (at least key orders of) the Martinists (& the Ordo Templi Orientis). Memphis-Misraim Rite & Marinists are both senior to the Rosicrucians (including AMORC & the Societas Rosicruciania). You will NEVER get a full, open declaration of the Society of Jesus being the Superior Inconnu (Unknown Superiors), but my research below (from an email I posted not so long ago) points to this as being almost certainly the case. I was replying to the following statement by a Masonic & Knighthood Order insider:
| QUOTE | Well most of the Rite of Memphis Mizraim was written by Kircher and was later edited by Cagliostro. You have to be member to know this. You should probably re-interview Leo about it. YOU ARE CORRECT about Champillon not being the first to decode the hierogyphs. ... On the level of knowledge, The VATICAN has always understood hierogyphs, and you are taught to decipher them in the Rite of Memphis. The present elite are the decendents of the Phoaroahs, of course they kept this tradition active for the last 2200 years. |
My response:
| QUOTE | In my analysis of the interwoven Illuminati orders below I write:
If you have the time, please read my selected quotes & commentary/deductions below & add any insight that you can. ... http://www.stichtingargus.nl/vrijmetselarij/memphis_en.html
Also: I note that H. Spence Lewis, the original Imperator of AMORC was a XII° Rosicrucian, but only a 95° Memphis & Misraim. He was also a Martinist, as was his son, Ralph M Lewis. http://www.themystica.org/mystica/articles...i_orientis.html
Now, I know that in England at least, one must be a UGLE Master Mason to be asked to join the Societas Rosicruciana, & one must be both a Master Mason & a member of the Societas Rosicruciana in order to join the Hermetic Order of Martinists (HOM): http://www.glhom.org.uk/content.php?id=1
(So too claim the Ancient & Accepted (Scottish) Rite of England & Wales). See also: http://internet.lodge.org.uk/public/degrees.php for UGLE-affiliated orders. We also know that Jules Boucher, Grand Secretary of the OTM/OMT/TMO (Traditional Martinist Order) wrote in the article "Du Martinisme et des ordres Martinistes" (published in 1950 in the review "Le Symbolisme") [& quoted from in the "1948 Ordre Martniste Rectifié" section at http://omeganexusonline.net/rcmo/martinistorders.htm ]:
So: I surmise that the Superieur Inconnu ("Unknown Superior") level of Martinists (in the small number of different Martinist orders) are Jesuits & if so, then almost certainly fourth degree Jesuits. The S.I. Martinists would then oversee the Rosicrucians of both AMORC & the Societas Rosicruciana. How the Memphis-Misraim Grand Hierophants fit into this picture I have yet to establish, but they are definitely above the Rosicrucians & I speculate that the SI Martinists may be "Grand Tribunal" level (91-99°) Memphis-Misraim. That Martinist founder of AMORC [H. Spence Lewis] was a Grand Tribunal level Memphis-Misraim Mason at 95° & would have to have been an SI level Martinist & thus - IMO - a Jesuit. |
Worth noting too that in Leo Zagami's interview by Greg Szymanski on May 22 2007, Zagami had pointed out that the Martinist Order's Superior Inconnu or S.I. is the Societe de Jesus/Iesus at around the 47 minute mark:
http://arcticbeacon.com/audio/2007/2007-LR...LRN-Hr1-Hr2.mp3
Thank you -
TS
The Order of the Holy Sepulchre is an Order of Chivalry recognized by the Holy See. It's purpose is to support the Church in the Holy Land through acts of charity. It in particular provides for free Catholic education for children. That's it. There is no conspiracy.
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