I have just received two followup emails from my Italy-based correspondent who had had an exchange with, including a reply to my earlier post based around my "ORDER OF COVERT PAPAL-LOYAL ORDERS (BOTH COVERT & OVERT)" chart. I will post these new emails below the revised chart (that included the Order of the Garter) that I had sent - which is based on my understanding of the international reach & influence of members from the listed chivalric orders over the past half-century & the earlier responses just referred to, so as to save too much digging back. To be read top to bottom:
CORRESPONDENT:
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For the mafia, it [membership of the Constantinian Order] is included for "being made". Most mafia rituals originated within the Constantinian Order itself. Very pseudo-masonic. For power's sake and crime, drug-trafficking, and prostitution, it's a high order. And being one makes you above the law, SO I would say it is higher then the 'fleece' and order of Malta. Equestrians are the 'invisibles', above the law, hidden, unknown. For that reason I would say they are higher then both.
MY CHART (Second version, including the Order of the Garter):
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ORDER OF INFLUENCE OF THE KEY PAPAL-LOYAL CHIVALRIC ORDERS (BOTH OVERT & COVERT)
1: The Order of the Golden Fleece - Spanish branch
(Grand Master: Juan Carlos I, King of Spain [Head of the House of Bourbon]).
2: The Order of the Garter
("Sovereign": Elizabeth II, Queen of the United Kingdom;
Chancellor: Lord Carrington [Peter Carington, 6th Baron Carrington])
3: The Order of the Golden Fleece - Austrian branch
(Grand Master: Karl Habsburg-Lothringen, Archduke & Prince (Austria), Prince (Hungary) [Head of the House of Habsburg-Lorraine]).
4: The Order of St Januarius
(Both branches:
* Hispano-Neapolitan [Grand Master: Don Infante Carlos, Duke of Calabria];
* Franco-Neapolitan [Grand Master: Prince Carlo, the Duke of Castro].
Note: the Dukes of Calabria & Castro are the disputing Heads of the House of Bourbon-Two Sicilies).
5: The Constantinian Order
(Both branches:
* Hispano-Neapolitan [Grand Master: Don Infante Carlos, Duke of Calabria];
* Franco-Neapolitan [Grand Master: Prince Carlo, the Duke of Castro]).
6: The Order of the Holy Sepulchre
(Grand Master: "Papal Prince" John Cardinal Foley).
7: The Order of Malta
(Grand Master: "Papal Prince" Matthew Cardinal Festing).
8: The Orders of St John:
* English branch: "Sovereign" Head: Elizabeth II, Queen of the United Kingdom [Head of the House of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha a.k.a. Windsor];
Grand Prior, Prince Richard, the Duke of Gloucester [also House of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha a.k.a. Windsor];
* Dutch branch: Honorary Commander: Beatrix, Queen of the Netherlands [Head of the House of Orange-Nassau];
* Swedish branch: High Protector: Carl XVI Gustav, King of Sweden [Head of the House of Bernadotte];
* German branch: Master: Oskar, Prince of Prussia [House of Hohenzollern - although not the Head of that House, which is Georg Friedrich, Prince of Prussia].
- TS
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CORRESPONDENT:
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I would hate to burst your bubble Troy, but here's the reason I disagree with you:
1. I have had close encounters with all the orders you have presented and I am a member of one of them. I haven't found a more sinister and secret order as the Equestian Order which is the OLDEST Papal crusading order, and it even existed in Ancient Egypt, Greece, Pre-Christian Rome ( the structure of the ritual itself). It has 'hidden' members and is located with-in the Borgo Santo Spirito Structure. And they have massive orgies. Lots of heavy breathing!
2. The Golden Fleece of Spain is a 'fake' Golden Fleece, and though it is recognized officially by the Vatican, and Black Pope, it cancels itself out due to its permission of women, heathens, moslems, criminals, anti-christians, etc... They are pretending to be Fleece members but they really are a bunch of masqueraders. We do not recognize these fakes, and do not honor their members. This was part of the Vatican II conversion
3. There is NO WAY the Golden Fleece of Austria has ANY influence on Global politics or crime. We have been discarded by the Vatican as the official 'Golden Fleece' YET...... WE HAVE HELD ALL ORIGINAL RITUALS AND PRACTICES, CUSTOMS, ETC........ The Spanish are the fakes. The Jesuits HIJACKED the Fleece Order, by Assassinating all of its Austrian/Hungarian/Italian heads.
I responded to the above statements with the email reposted in an earlier thread post which quoted a number of excerpts from the following sources:
* SYNARCHY: THE CONSERVATIVE REVOLUTION
http://watch.pair.com/synarchy-3.html
& from these sections specifically, for references to Otto von Habsburg & his connections to the International Paneuropean Union & the Mt. Pelerin Society & those groups' Synarchist agenda:
http://watch.pair.com/synarchy-3.html#mont-pelerin
http://watch.pair.com/synarchy-3.html#coudenhove-kalergi
http://watch.pair.com/synarchy-3.html#synarchy
* THE EQUESTRIAN ORDER OF THE HOLY SEPULCHER OF JERUSALEM
http://www.chivalricorders.org/vatican/holysep.htm
The latter link being to an article that includes a study into the antiquity of the Equestrian Order, which the author - Guy Stair Sainty - using the work "Les Chevaliers du Saint-Sepulcre de Jérusalem" by Jean-Pierre de Gennes (Paris, 1995 - with an introductory letter from the Cardinal Grand Master, Cardinal Caprio), as well as a Brief dated 23 July 1847, issued by Pius IX, as his source evidence to assert that the order's historically verifiable origin goes back to that date only. My correspondent disagrees. I leave the question open.
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NEW EMAIL RESPONSE #1:
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I will admit that Otto did say those things and was in the Pan-European think-tank, but there hasn't been any true influence on his part, and nevertheless his organization's idea for a united Europe was always vetoed, thus showing us the reality, that the Hapsburgs are constantly ignored by those who control the future. Remember that the Jesuits would like us to believe in a Nazi/Hapsburg conspiracy, to promote communism globally.
As for the Equestrian Order being implanted in 1847, and having the date falsified to 1099:
Your reference Jean-Pierre de Gennes, a.k.a. John Peter of Genoa, is a disinformer, who is probably is working for the Pope through rosicruscianism. This is the original crusading order. Troy you must visit some museums, when you have time. We have evidence that the Order is the oldest. It predates the Jesuits! It was modelled after the ancient Equestrian rites, thus retained its name. There are thousands of books about it. Every city on Earth has a mother chapter, or Church designated to be a base for Equestrian rites. Even in Venice, the Church of 'Santa Maria del Giglio' close to Fenice Theater is controlled by these goons. The 1847 constitution is a revision only ! There has been an 'evolution' of all orders.
NEW CHART BASED ON MY INTERPRETATION OF MY CORRESPONDENT'S PERCEPTION OF THE "ORDER OF COVERT PAPAL-LOYAL CHIVALRIC ORDERS (BOTH COVERT & OVERT)":
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ORDER OF INFLUENCE OF THE KEY PAPAL-LOYAL CHIVALRIC ORDERS (BOTH OVERT & COVERT)
1: The Order of the Holy Sepulchre
(Grand Master: "Papal Prince" John Cardinal Foley).
2: The Order of the Golden Fleece - Spanish branch
(Grand Master: Juan Carlos I, King of Spain [Head of the House of Bourbon]).
3: The Order of the Garter
("Sovereign": Elizabeth II, Queen of the United Kingdom;
Chancellor: Lord Carrington [Peter Carington, 6th Baron Carrington])
4: The Order of St Januarius
(Both branches:
* Hispano-Neapolitan [Grand Master: Don Infante Carlos, Duke of Calabria];
* Franco-Neapolitan [Grand Master: Prince Carlo, the Duke of Castro].
Note: the Dukes of Calabria & Castro are the disputing Heads of the House of Bourbon-Two Sicilies).
5: The Constantinian Order
(Both branches:
* Hispano-Neapolitan [Grand Master: Don Infante Carlos, Duke of Calabria];
* Franco-Neapolitan [Grand Master: Prince Carlo, the Duke of Castro]).
6: The Order of Malta
(Grand Master: "Papal Prince" Matthew Cardinal Festing).
7: The Orders of St John:
* English branch: "Sovereign" Head: Elizabeth II, Queen of the United Kingdom [Head of the House of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha a.k.a. Windsor];
Grand Prior, Prince Richard, the Duke of Gloucester [also House of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha a.k.a. Windsor];
* Dutch branch: Honorary Commander: Beatrix, Queen of the Netherlands [Head of the House of Orange-Nassau];
* Swedish branch: High Protector: Carl XVI Gustav, King of Sweden [Head of the House of Bernadotte];
* German branch: Master: Oskar, Prince of Prussia [House of Hohenzollern - although not the Head of that House, which is Georg Friedrich, Prince of Prussia].
8: The Order of the Golden Fleece - Austrian branch
(Grand Master: Karl Habsburg-Lothringen, Archduke & Prince (Austria), Prince (Hungary) [Head of the House of Habsburg-Lorraine]).
- TS
Reality Research Resource
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NEW EMAIL RESPONSE #2: MY CORRESPONDENT'S COMMENTS ON THE ABOVE CHART:
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Very Accurate Troy!
I would like you to also confirm this with [X]. Remember that [X] lives in Rome. I don't anymore! You can't imagine what peace I have here in [X] without people knocking on my door 24hrs. In Rome there is always some orgy around the corner. You'd have to live there for awhile to believe me, and you could write a book about it.
Go Here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q...65&z=18&iwloc=A
The above link is to the Order of the Holy Sepulchre's HQ in Rome. Note the obelisk lamp posts outside & running up & down the street.
In regards to the order of influence of the Papal-loyal orders, I will leave you to draw your own conclusions based on research to date & on any forthcoming information. Between the two charts above I think we have a reasonable pair of starting points to use to build a framework for further studies.
- TS
Reality Research Resource
http://troyspace2.wordpress.com
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