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For They Who Misconstrued What Bro Ford said RE Voting for Obama
Nixakliel - 09/13/2012 - 10:43
This excerpt is from DN!'s own Transcript of the Debate between Dr Mike Dyson
& Bro Glen Ford: }MICHAEL ERIC DYSON: I would ask the good
brother the question, what does the Black Americans and the American left do? Do
you encourage people to vote for Obama vs Romney? Or do you encourage a kind of
apathy that throws your hand up and says, "We can’t do anything about American
foreign policy. [You insist that {so-called] 'liberal
internationalism' that Obama is practicing is hardly
distinguishable from what preceded him with the interventionist politics, the
prevention interventionism, if you will, of George W. Bush"? Is there no
difference? I don’t hear Glen Ford articulating for actual voters on the ground,
what will you do November 6? What do you encourage them to do?
GLEN FORD: We are certainly NOT encouraging people to vote for the more Effective EVIL [= Obama]. However, members of my family and friends and people that we at Black Agenda Report deal with politically, are going to vote for President Obama [IMO this is a just plain statement of fact- like it or not]. All we ask of them is that they not tell any LIES about His Record in the process, that they [know &] Tell the TRUTH. And truth telling is not something that’s just engaged in in highfalutin principle; we make our decisions based upon the truth. Dr. Dyson just alluded to President Obama’s new doctrine of foreign policy, which is that any time some group of people—and you can always find some group—asks that the US intervene in the internal affairs of their country, then the US should. Yet He [Dr Dyson] never mentioned the term "international law." And this is one of the great historical legacies of the Obama administration. He has ignored international law, ignored the sovereignty of nations and decided that, wherever [& whenever] the US decides to, it should and will intervene militarily. That is Anarchy & CHAOS. But actually it’s called US IMPERILAISM... {
Now maybe you mis-understood what Bro Glen Ford actaully said, or maybe you think this is a grudging endorsement of Obama, if so I DisAgree. A plain statement of fact that most of his Black relatives & friends [& most Black Folks period] are going to vote for Obama is IMO simply acknowledging reality! Amy G even asked Bro Ford was he endorsing Romney [OF COURSE NOT!]. So Dr Mike Dyson says Bro Ford was ecouraging political apathy among Blacks & progressives- which is common rhetoric to try embarrass people & to lock Blacks & progressives into continuing to support the Corp Dim wing of the US 2 party Corp-controlled imperialistic duopoly. There are at-least 3 other choices that folks can vote for besides O-Bomb-em & Raw-money. But sitting out the Presidential election [which anyway it's the electorial college that determines who is going to be POTUS- NOT the people's vote] is better IMO than voting for O-Bomb-em in the name of [phony] progressivism or out of FEAR of the Repugs [the ole Dims as 'good-cop' vs Repugs as 'bad-cop' routine].
by effective saying- What else was he supposed to do in the face of the 'murderous dictatorial Khadaffi regime'. Just last week at the DNC Obama [& Dyson] hyped how his forgein policy of [phony] R2P humanitarian intervention [= bombing & regime-change] supposedly brought 'freedom & democracy' to Libya [he also repeatedly harped on the alleged 'Osama Kill Episode']. Of course Bro Glen Ford here @ BAR has repeatedly shown that the NTC's ranks were filled w AL-CIAeda types who effectively had a racist lynch-mob agenda & mentality. Well this is the 3rd time that Obama as POTUS has had a serious case of 'foot in [liar's] mouth disease' [he also hyped the safety of deep sea oil drilling just before the BP Gulf Oil Disaster & of nuke power just before Fukushima]. Now less than a week after he [& Dr Mike Dyson] hyped about bringing 'democracy & freedom' to Libya, their very same lynch-mob rebel-rousers in Benghazi burnt the US embassy & lynched the US amassador there [ironically on the 11th anniversary of 9-11]!!! Now this was all provoked by a white Jewish Israeli-American guy making a slanderous film mocking Islam & the Prophet Muhammed [hyped by that white Christian-Zionist Koran burning Rev Terry Jones]- but that's almost besides the point. O-Bomb-em, Hitlery{I Came, I Saw, He Died- Ha ha ha}Clinton, Sue Rice, et-al hyped this NTC lynch mob as their so-called champions of 'democracy & freedom' while literally gloating over Khadaffi's slaughtered corpse- just 1 yr ago!! And w his comment RE: Khadaffi & Libya vs Bro Glen Ford in this DN! debate, IMO we should also add Dr Mike Dyson {& DN! too} as NTC lynch-mob hypers!
Rev Dr Mike Dyson says he's a Christian minister- Well the Bible says 'You will Reap what You Sew' & the Old folks use to say 'What Goes Around Comes Around'. I think in geo-political speak they call it 'Blow-Back'.
Needless to say In all of Khadaffi's 42 yrs of so-called 'ruthless dictatorial rule'- nothing like this had ever happened- even though Reagan & his 'Iron Maiden' tried to kill him at-least twice in blatantly provocative acts of war. The US has held a grude vs Iran since 1979- when the Iranians stormed the US embassay in Tehran & held US Intel personnel, but not the ambassador, hostage for over a yr. Yet no-one died, all the hostages were returned in one-piece & the US embassy was NOT destroyed- never-the-less the US has had it in for Iran ever since. This makes what happened in Benghazi by the US backed NTC lynch mobbers on the 11the anniversary of 9-11- all the more Ironic.
GLEN FORD: We are certainly NOT encouraging people to vote for the more Effective EVIL [= Obama]. However, members of my family and friends and people that we at Black Agenda Report deal with politically, are going to vote for President Obama [IMO this is a just plain statement of fact- like it or not]. All we ask of them is that they not tell any LIES about His Record in the process, that they [know &] Tell the TRUTH. And truth telling is not something that’s just engaged in in highfalutin principle; we make our decisions based upon the truth. Dr. Dyson just alluded to President Obama’s new doctrine of foreign policy, which is that any time some group of people—and you can always find some group—asks that the US intervene in the internal affairs of their country, then the US should. Yet He [Dr Dyson] never mentioned the term "international law." And this is one of the great historical legacies of the Obama administration. He has ignored international law, ignored the sovereignty of nations and decided that, wherever [& whenever] the US decides to, it should and will intervene militarily. That is Anarchy & CHAOS. But actually it’s called US IMPERILAISM... {
Now maybe you mis-understood what Bro Glen Ford actaully said, or maybe you think this is a grudging endorsement of Obama, if so I DisAgree. A plain statement of fact that most of his Black relatives & friends [& most Black Folks period] are going to vote for Obama is IMO simply acknowledging reality! Amy G even asked Bro Ford was he endorsing Romney [OF COURSE NOT!]. So Dr Mike Dyson says Bro Ford was ecouraging political apathy among Blacks & progressives- which is common rhetoric to try embarrass people & to lock Blacks & progressives into continuing to support the Corp Dim wing of the US 2 party Corp-controlled imperialistic duopoly. There are at-least 3 other choices that folks can vote for besides O-Bomb-em & Raw-money. But sitting out the Presidential election [which anyway it's the electorial college that determines who is going to be POTUS- NOT the people's vote] is better IMO than voting for O-Bomb-em in the name of [phony] progressivism or out of FEAR of the Repugs [the ole Dims as 'good-cop' vs Repugs as 'bad-cop' routine].
by effective saying- What else was he supposed to do in the face of the 'murderous dictatorial Khadaffi regime'. Just last week at the DNC Obama [& Dyson] hyped how his forgein policy of [phony] R2P humanitarian intervention [= bombing & regime-change] supposedly brought 'freedom & democracy' to Libya [he also repeatedly harped on the alleged 'Osama Kill Episode']. Of course Bro Glen Ford here @ BAR has repeatedly shown that the NTC's ranks were filled w AL-CIAeda types who effectively had a racist lynch-mob agenda & mentality. Well this is the 3rd time that Obama as POTUS has had a serious case of 'foot in [liar's] mouth disease' [he also hyped the safety of deep sea oil drilling just before the BP Gulf Oil Disaster & of nuke power just before Fukushima]. Now less than a week after he [& Dr Mike Dyson] hyped about bringing 'democracy & freedom' to Libya, their very same lynch-mob rebel-rousers in Benghazi burnt the US embassy & lynched the US amassador there [ironically on the 11th anniversary of 9-11]!!! Now this was all provoked by a white Jewish Israeli-American guy making a slanderous film mocking Islam & the Prophet Muhammed [hyped by that white Christian-Zionist Koran burning Rev Terry Jones]- but that's almost besides the point. O-Bomb-em, Hitlery{I Came, I Saw, He Died- Ha ha ha}Clinton, Sue Rice, et-al hyped this NTC lynch mob as their so-called champions of 'democracy & freedom' while literally gloating over Khadaffi's slaughtered corpse- just 1 yr ago!! And w his comment RE: Khadaffi & Libya vs Bro Glen Ford in this DN! debate, IMO we should also add Dr Mike Dyson {& DN! too} as NTC lynch-mob hypers!
Rev Dr Mike Dyson says he's a Christian minister- Well the Bible says 'You will Reap what You Sew' & the Old folks use to say 'What Goes Around Comes Around'. I think in geo-political speak they call it 'Blow-Back'.
Needless to say In all of Khadaffi's 42 yrs of so-called 'ruthless dictatorial rule'- nothing like this had ever happened- even though Reagan & his 'Iron Maiden' tried to kill him at-least twice in blatantly provocative acts of war. The US has held a grude vs Iran since 1979- when the Iranians stormed the US embassay in Tehran & held US Intel personnel, but not the ambassador, hostage for over a yr. Yet no-one died, all the hostages were returned in one-piece & the US embassy was NOT destroyed- never-the-less the US has had it in for Iran ever since. This makes what happened in Benghazi by the US backed NTC lynch mobbers on the 11the anniversary of 9-11- all the more Ironic.
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"Dr. Michael Eric Dyson, the
beverly - 09/12/2012 - 22:55
"Dr. Michael Eric Dyson, the Baptist preacher . . ."
There's one industry that is experiencing job growth - the ministry.
Every dang time I turn around, some damn body is calling himself or herself (the number of women preachers has exploded in the last few years) a preacher. It's getting silly - and sad as far too many of them are poor leaders, opportunists, not even great students of the Bible, and Democratic party apparatchiks - none of which helps the ignorant sheeple over whom they minister.
There's one industry that is experiencing job growth - the ministry.
Every dang time I turn around, some damn body is calling himself or herself (the number of women preachers has exploded in the last few years) a preacher. It's getting silly - and sad as far too many of them are poor leaders, opportunists, not even great students of the Bible, and Democratic party apparatchiks - none of which helps the ignorant sheeple over whom they minister.
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