Debate on History and the Jesuits (Both sides shown)

On 7 Jan 2011, at 00:25, Craig Oxley wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:41:50 -0500, “Eric Phelps” said:
Dear Craig,

Over several months, I have been forced to this conclusion via Troy’s own self-incriminating words.

1. Troy sided with F. Tupper Saussy against me when I accused Saussy of being a Jesuit coadjutor. He never asked me for a clarification, but hands down, I was dead wrong. I know Saussy was a coadjutor and intend to fully prove my point in the near future from quotations from his Rulers of Evil which I have read four times. Saussy promoted that the Order has the right to be the ruler of evil which is not to be resisted by anyone. He further claims that armed resistance of Christians to governments controlled by the Order is biblically wrong thus undermining the entire Reformation and promoting the Counter Reformation.

2. Troy refuses to consider evidence that George Washington was indeed a Bible-believing Christian, not conspirator or a Roman Catholic. No, George was just another Illuminati Freemason working for the Jesuit Order despite the high Christian character of our “American Joshua” as described by the great Ezra Stiles, president of Yale College. Troy ignored the fact that Washington was baptized by one of his captains, Baptist Pastor John Gano, in the Hudson River in 1783 as documented by Dr. William P. Grady. All of this means nothing to Troy.

3. Troy favors Zagami over Vivaldi when Zagami sought to prevent Vivaldi from exposing the Council of Ten in a public forum. Without Vivaldi, we would have no knowledge of the Jesuit Council of Ten noble families. Zagami hates Oliver Cromwell while Vivaldi loves him. Zagami hates the Bible while Vivaldi at least reads it despite certain inconsistencies of the past.

4. Troy utterly condemns the AV1611 English Bible as a work of the
Jesuits and Freemasonry. I put Troy in contact with Brother Alan
O’Reilly, one of the foremost English scholars on the topic of the
Reformation and the AV1611. This man is a published author and has
worked in this arena for the last forty years or so. Troy refused to
heed his comments or even meet with Alan in person. This betrays an
agenda that is pro-Counter Reformation.

5. Troy utterly condemns the Protestant British Empire as being evil
from its inception, the day King James united Scotland with England via the AV1611 Bible. With that unity, God sent the Scriptures to the end of the earth with the British shippers and navy, the AV1611 to be translated into 60 different languages. This is evil in Troy’s eyes. The British Empire was nothing but an oppressor of mankind spreading a false version of the Bible—a most beloved Jesuit shibboleth.

6. Troy utterly condemns King James I, refusing to consider the fact
that James I was truly converted to Christ after he arrived in London
from Scotland in 1604. King James’ Works of 1616 prove his belief on
Christ of the Bible. Further, Troy avoids the truth that James I
publicly burned the works of Jesuit Francisco Suarez justifying regicide. James also expelled the Order in 1604, shortly after he became king; in the same year authorized a new translation of the English Bible; in 1605 was nearly blown to bits by the Order’s Gunpowder Plot foiled by King Henry IV of France for which the Order would stab Henry through the heart in 1610. All of this is avoided by Troy, lest evidence of James’ loyalty to the Reformation, at least in the early years of his kingship, should be admitted.

7. Troy continually claims that Roman Catholic William Schaw was a
controller of James, yet Schaw died in 1602, nearly two years prior to James’ formal, physical accession to the throne.

8. Troy claims that the Order was in control of all Freemasonry from the beginning of its restoration in the late 1500s to the present day. He never gives ascent to the two Grand Masonic Schisms without which there would never have been the pope’s suppression of the Jesuit Order or the founding of the Protestant Federal Republic of these United States of America (1789-1868). He avoids the fact that American Freemasonry was not controlled by the Jesuit-ruled Illuminati at the time of the Protestant and Baptist Calvinist American Revolution, a fact that Washington made quite clear.
Thus, based upon the above, Troy, in espousing Jesuit doctrine, is either a Temporal Coadjutor or stupidly deceived. He attacks the very linchpins of the Reformation and nations born out of that grand revolution, an attack that even a professed Jesuit could not improve upon. Since I know Troy is one of the most brilliant men I have ever met, he is not stupid, ignorant or deceived. He knows exactly what he is doing: furthering the Black Pope’s Counter Reformation, tearing the English and Scottish peoples away from the Book that, if believed and acted upon, would set back the pope’s Temporal Power in Great Britain—and America. For if the pope’s Spiritual Power is not broken via the Word of God in English, then his Temporal Power over the most hated nation of England will never be broken.

Though I deeply regret the above conclusion, it is true based upon the evidence that Troy himself has provided. He has condemned himself with his own words.
Further, Opus Dei is not connected with or founded by the Venetians. The Venetians have been a conquered people with on political power since Jesuit-directed Napoleon destroyed the pro-Reformation Republic of Venice in 1797. The Spanish Jesuit Josemaria Escriva started that damnable Order in Jesuit-ruled Spain in 1928, the same year the Order founded the Muslim Brotherhood.

Lord bless,

Brother Eric

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From: TS
Date: 7 January 2011 05:12:43 GMT
COMMENTS ON ERIC PHELPS’ 8-POINT FALSE JESUIT DOCTRINE “CHARGE SHEET” ACCUSATIONS
Dear Craig
I shall comment on Eric’s quite odd & frankly largely false statements below regarding myself on a point by point basis.
Firstly I recommend that all readers read the following prologue concerning Eric’s quite fallacious statement, which he then goes on to elaborate in a most convoluted & unbecoming manner below:
http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=43628&st=0#entry3585488
Continuing:

1: I asked Eric in correspondence a very long time ago to provide full details as to why he stated that Saussy was a Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor. As for Eric being “dead wrong” I have no recollection of stating this. Saussy’s work (“Rulers of Evil” – available at: http://www.amazon.com/Rulers-Evil-Useful-Knowledge-Governing/dp/0066210836/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1294366455&sr=8-1 & http://www.amazon.com/Rulers-Evil-Useful-Knowledge-Governing/dp/0967376807/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t ) has much to recommend it & confirms much of the historical expositions & revelations of John Daniel & PD Stuart. However Saussy’s philosophical conclusions were rather oblique & peculiar & not shared by myself. Still: “Eat the meat & spit out the bones” as Eric says. To say that I sided with Saussy is I think a bit of a stretch. Still, if Eric can provide a dated email quote from myself then we can see for ourselves just how far of a stretch that would have been.
 

2: Those who doubt Washington’s pro-Romish actions & Jesuit associations should read P.D. Stuart’s “Codeword Barbelon”, John Daniel’s “Grand Design Exposed” – & Eric’s “favourite” Tupper Saussy’s “Rulers of Evil”. Three very different Jesuit-exposing authors with three quite different vantage points & outlooks – yet all three agreeing on Washington’s duplicity.
For independent revealing info on Washington I also recommend:
“WHY GEORGE WASHINGTON SHOULD BE THE POPE’S HERO” (APPROPRIATE PRO-ROMISH ACTIONS FOR THE BOY FROM POPE’S CREEK WHO CRIBBED THE POPE’S POET!)
“Why George Washington Should Be the Pope’s Hero”
http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/04/why-george-washington-should-b.html#ixzz17gYg6nex
Also:
GEORGE WASHINGTON’S “CIVIL RULES” (1747) PLAGIARIZED PAPAL POET’S “RULES OF CIVILITY” (1551);
G.W. PRAISED BY CATHOLIC, S.M.O.M., BILDERBERGER FRENCH PRES. D’ESTAING
http://acivilair.blogspot.com/2008/03/picture-2.html
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLbp49bI3FZ7JslKLLDUP_dNSMNe4YIf8C6tRJONYsX41Mvyne59iFZmbc_zN6FKPb-PX6VCmCLeAvAR4hZpHlRsV9IdNzzGUaJP5WOEVzFO_SzVMfnpVpB0V4UhrXR2rcY9Dk/s1600-h/Picture+2-755212.jpg
As I wrote to Walt Williams before he recently asked me to remove him from my email list:

Using your reasoning, do you believe that John Daniel (in “Grand Design Exposed”) & PD Stuart (whose “Codeword Barbelon” Eric sells at his website) – who both maintain that George Washington was not only allied to the Jesuits – might be Jesuits themselves? … Washington had Royal Arch artifacts among his possessions. This is more a sign of Jesuit infiltration of certain Masonic lodges & chapters – at least on the US at the time – due to the fact that their creation was the French/Prussian-developed system that later became the Scottish Rite, rather than the British Isles-originating Royal Arch.
Also: Washington’s preeminent position within the Society of Cincinnati indicates that he did have Romish leanings … As I have posted once before:

Interesting to note among its members who were also US Presidents that we find Roosevelt & Truman, respectively the 32nd & 33rd Presidents of the US & also respectively 32 & 33° Freemasons. We also find as members, those SMOM Order of Merit members US Presidents Reagan & Bush. Two of the most openly devoted US servants of Rome who alongside their antecedent were members of a hereditary society named after a Roman Consul turned Magister Populi.
Also thought-provoking is that one Larz Anderson III, hailing from Cincinnati, Ohio is considered to have been a prototypical member, especially when we note that he was the First Secretary of the American Embassy & Charges d’Affaires in Rome.

3: V.V. Vivaldi-Pasqua III mostly tells Eric what he thinks he wants to hear. I have stated before that I believe his information regarding this supposed Council of Ten is flawed & inconsistent. When I first interviewed him he wasn’t even sure of this number “ten” which he eventually settled on & which I surmise he derived from the old Venetian Council of Ten (no surprise as he lives in Venice). Also: the old Houses of Farnese, Borja/Borgia, Pamphili & Aldobrandini no longer exist. The current “Aldobrandini” are really a branch of the Borghese family who adopted the name. One irreconcilable point that VVV made & which EJP rejects is that the Council of Ten rule over the Jesuit Superior General. EJP’s rejection of this statement nulls his claim of the great contribution of VVV’s info on this supposed “Council”. I don’t recall Zagami ever commenting on Cromwell. As for his position on the Bible, from what I can make out he is more critical of orthodox interpretations of the scriptures rather than completely hostile per se. What VVV (which of course means “666″ – as though Eric was unaware!) really thinks of the Bible is anyone’s guess. If he thinks as much of it as he does the Archbishop/Patriarch of Venice Scola, then he must love it – in a very Catholic kind of way!

4: The AV1611 was a work of Reformation-derailing, Protestant-torturing, crypto-Catholic Anglican High Commission Court members & their cronies. Commissioned to usurp the true Bible of the Reformation, the Geneva, its publication was a political statement of monarchical/ecclesiastical totalitarian authority. Sure it is great literature, but its best writing was lifted straight from the Geneva – its spiritual superior. Its worst parts were taken from the Latin Vulgate (which themselves had become further corrupted over time). Alan O’Reilly is a member of the false opposition BNP & as far as I recall lives in Craig’s city of Birmingham, not London where I live. Eric is no doubt getting confused as to who has refused to meet with him as no such invitation has ever been extended to myself. While Alan is a most-studied man in the Bible I believe that he is defending a religious ideology that ultimately maintains the largely covert British Intelligence-guarded Establishment status quo rather than seriously challenges it. He will no doubt claim to disagree.

5: It is impossible for the AV1611 to be translated into even one different tongue, let alone 60. A translation is a translation. They will be as different as the different English-language translations are from each other – in some cases probably even more (excepting any removed passages). Eric’s claim that I believe this is evil is a laughable fiction. As for the “Protestant British Empire”: Well I certainly don’t think that the former term is compatible with the latter. Empires are for Caesars. My Lord’s kingdom is not of this world.
John 18:36 (using Eric’s preferred KJV):

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

John 19:15:

But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priest answered, We have no king but Caesar.

As I have shown in previous correspondence any tensions between James VI/I & the Jesuits (such as the Gunpowder Plot) were elaborate deceptions as proved by James long-term, closely Jesuit-advised, pro-Roman actions both before & after this diversion operation. The British Empire from the time of James VI/I on was an extension of the Roman Empire utilising a Masonic mask. What Eric calls a Jesuit shibboleth is in fact a Hegelian dialectical strategy of the Jesuits that he has either fallen for or is completely aware of but covers up for reasons unstated.

6: Eric claims that I “avoid” certain actions & words attributed to James VI/I. This is false. I have dealt with most of these before. My position is that actions speak louder than words. The “English Inquisition” of the High Commission Court, the financial windfall that resulted from the Gunpowder Plot, The Five Articles of Perth that were forced on Scotland, the dissolution of Parliament in 1621 over their anti-Roman demands & James VI/I’s many Jesuit & Catholic advisors as detailed in John Daniel’s “Grand Design Exposed” & via my own researches all speak louder than some almost certainly ghostwritten sops attributed to the Masonic monarch.

7: William Schaw, Rome’s man in Albion influencing the Scottish monarch had a number of successor Jesuit & Catholic royal advisors in his English period. This can be discerned from the insightful research of John Daniel in “Grand Design Exposed”, which provides crucial details concerning the likes of James VI/I’s Secretary of State George Calvert.
8: Eric writes:

“Troy claims that the Order was in control of all Freemasonry from the beginning of its restoration in the late 1500s to the present day.”

This is complete & utter fabrication. The Jesuits via William Schaw & James VI of Scotland (late James I of England, who brought Schaw’s Masonic system with him) tried to takeover Freemasonry in Scotland from 1598 through to Schaw’s death in 1602 – & failed. The precise nature & extent of Jesuit influence over FM in Scotland in subsequent centuries is difficult to assess, but I have yet to come across evidence of the close Roman connections that FM in England has as witnessed via the Duke of Kent (United Grand Lodge of England Grand Master & husband to a Roman Catholic & whose son was married in the Vatican in 2006) & his younger brother Prince Michael of Kent (whose wife is the Senior Dame for the British & Irish delegation of the Papal-loyal Franco-Neapolitan Constantinian Order), both first cousins to the Queen of England. I maintain that there are certain key lodges & high Masonic officers who are loyal to the Jesuit-directed Papal Roman Empire & that certain influential obediences & Masonic lineages are instrumental in this Rome-serving covert global power structure. The most pre-eminent among these being the United Grand Lodge of England & the Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite. American Freemasonry was, despite Eric’s protests to the contrary, without doubt Jesuit-infiltrated by the time of the American Revolution. George Washington was the foremost example of this. The books of Daniel, Stuart & Saussy leave one in no doubt of this. Eric can write off Saussy, but l don’t hear him attacking John Daniel & P.D. Stuart. Their studies need to be examined by all concerned parties.
Eric says it all when he declares:
“Troy … is not stupid, ignorant or deceived.”
Indeed. I see things most clearly & pass on to others what I see so that they too may benefit from the unobscured perspectives & revelatory insights that have come my way one way or the other & which I claim little credit for.
These “very lynchpins of the Reformation” that Eric refers to are nothing of the sort. The true Reformation was in the 1500′s & the Jesuits via their high-level agents & assets from the end of that century through to the latter part of the 1700′s worked ceaselessly to ensure that the British Isles (& thus Empire of the time) & America would be Roman colonies. Men like James VI/I & George Washington were the ones who furthered “the Black Pope’s Counter Reformation”. If I lie, then John Daniel & P.D. Stuart lie.

The claim that I am “tearing away the English and Scottish peoples” from the Bible is contrived to say the least. In my fight to get the Geneva Bible reassessed & made known on a wider scale I have been seeking to redress an historical wrong & to show that that is the only Bible worthy of the epithet “Reformation Bible”. I am not saying that it is the only one worth reading & owning & I am not saying “put away your King James Bibles”. I am saying that too many falsehoods have for too long surrounded the latter via the inflated claims of some of its adherents & that that actually undermines its credibility & stature, i.e. too many of its adherents are its own worst enemy.
So in my deconstruction of Eric’s multi-pointed charge sheet I have also shown the lack of substance to his claims, showing that I have not provided the evidence that he claims or said the words with which he claims that I have condemned myself.

Eric takes your connection of Opus Dei to Venice as being mine (& of which I myself am unaware). So on his subsequent points there we do actually concur in a strange poetic conclusion.
Godspeed –

Troy


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On 7 Jan 2011, at 06:12, Avenueoflight wrote:
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