Believe this.
Mark E. Smith - 02/13/2013 - 19:00
Sure we all believed what we wanted to believe. I did too. I believed that Dorner was on a vendetta against the LAPD, and that he had killed a cop's daughter and her fiance, and then checked into a hotel on a military base using his own ID two days later. I mean wouldn't you? If you'd written and publicized a manifesto, murdered two people in cold blood, and were on a crusade to kill cops, wouldn't you check into a hotel on a military base under your own ID two days after the first murders? What? You wouldn't? Well, neither would I. A lot of the manifesto rings true, so it probably came from his public writings but there are several versions and none of them came directly from Dorner. There is no evidence whatsoever that he committed the double murder. Since that time, there has been no positive ID of Dorner anywhere, not even the charred remains. Am I supposed to believe that he is as smart and determined to accomplish his goals as the manifesto indicates, and casually checked into a hotel on a military base under his own ID? My guess is that he hadn't killed anyone and didn't even know about the murders until he checked into that hotel room and turned on the TV. Once he learned that he was being set up for something he hadn't done, he left the hotel without checking out. That's just a guess, but it makes a lot more sense than any other story. I don't know if he's alive or dead, but if he's half of what the cops and the media want us to believe he is, he sure wouldn't have been using his own ID on military bases once his cop-killing spree started. The best explanation I can think of is that there was no cop-killing spree and that he was framed for murders he didn't do. That happens all the time in this country. For decades the Chicago police used to solve murders by picking a Black man off the street at random and torturing him until he "confessed." But a smart, premeditated killer doing something as dumb as using his own ID on a military base during a killing spree? That's totally implausible. I wanted to believe it, I tried to believe it, but some things are just unbelievable.
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Yeah, it smells...
Cynical Negro - 02/17/2013 - 12:03
Convenient that he was a former LAPD officer and Black. So you hack his Facebook and put some kind of racial thing on there about the LAPD, which he left in 2009 (but suddenly wanted to strike in 2013?)
In the ever changing, so-called manifesto, he blames the LAPD for ruining his Naval career? But he was due to be discharged,,, honorably???
He left the LAPD in 2009?
It’s 2013.
A 4-5 year old grudge?
He made his tour in the navy with no problems, look at the photo’s they tell the story.
Gets killed right before the state of the union speech?
His wallet and identification card found unharmed beside charred remains in a burned out cabin where police cornered "him"?
http://www.guardiannews.com/world/2013/feb/13/christopher-dorner-wallet-...
If we assume half the reports by mainstream media are true, we can be sure that the military & racist police departments across the nation are terrified of the prospects of copy cat incidents of this sort. We can assume that "diversity" will be questioned a little bit more by the powers that be.
I want to believe that Charlie Rangel's proposal for a draft was a trojan horse for this sort of thing. Counter the poor public school to prison pipeline, by stacking the military with young Black men, increasing the odds that orders to turn the military's guns on its own people would be disobeyed (hopefully).
I don't trust the so-called "manifesto," as it has been altered/manipulated numerous times. I am focused entirely on the racist history of the LAPD that led to the L.A. insurrection's of the 60's & 90's, the divide & conquer gang warfare in L.A., the unsolved murders of B.I.G. & Tupac, the rounding up & massacre of innocent civilians that ensued, the drones used, and the specific case that got this brother fired from the LAPD/NYPD.
P.S.
What happened to Margaret Kimberley this week?
In the ever changing, so-called manifesto, he blames the LAPD for ruining his Naval career? But he was due to be discharged,,, honorably???
He left the LAPD in 2009?
It’s 2013.
A 4-5 year old grudge?
He made his tour in the navy with no problems, look at the photo’s they tell the story.
Gets killed right before the state of the union speech?
His wallet and identification card found unharmed beside charred remains in a burned out cabin where police cornered "him"?
http://www.guardiannews.com/world/2013/feb/13/christopher-dorner-wallet-...
If we assume half the reports by mainstream media are true, we can be sure that the military & racist police departments across the nation are terrified of the prospects of copy cat incidents of this sort. We can assume that "diversity" will be questioned a little bit more by the powers that be.
I want to believe that Charlie Rangel's proposal for a draft was a trojan horse for this sort of thing. Counter the poor public school to prison pipeline, by stacking the military with young Black men, increasing the odds that orders to turn the military's guns on its own people would be disobeyed (hopefully).
I don't trust the so-called "manifesto," as it has been altered/manipulated numerous times. I am focused entirely on the racist history of the LAPD that led to the L.A. insurrection's of the 60's & 90's, the divide & conquer gang warfare in L.A., the unsolved murders of B.I.G. & Tupac, the rounding up & massacre of innocent civilians that ensued, the drones used, and the specific case that got this brother fired from the LAPD/NYPD.
P.S.
What happened to Margaret Kimberley this week?
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See These Articles on the burning of Chris Dorner...
Nixakliel - 02/17/2013 - 04:43
@ Counter Punch: The State of the Union Amidst the Ashes of Extrajudicial Death- 'The Execution of Christopher Dorner' [www.counterpunch.org/2013/02/13/the-execution-of-christopher-dorner/ ]
@ AlterNet: 'How Law Enforcement and Media Covered Up the Plan to Burn Christopher Dorner Alive' [www.alternet.org/print/news-amp-politics/how-law-enforcement-and-media-covered-plan-burn-christopher-dorner-alive ] Some Key excerpts:} 'At 7 PM ET, I [reporter Max Blumenthal] listened through a police scanner as San Bernardino Sheriffs gave the order to burn down the cabin where suspected murderer Christopher Dorner was allegedly hiding. Deputies were maneuvering a remote controlled demolition vehicle to the base of the cabin, using it to tear down the walls of the cabin where Dorner was hiding, and peering inside.
It was then that the deputies decided to burn the cabin down. <“We’re gonna go ahead with the plan with the burner, like we talked about.” one sheriff’s deputy told another. Minutes later, another deputy’s voice crackled across the radio: “The burner’s deployed and we have a fire.”>
For the next hour, I listened as the sheriffs carefully managed the fire, ensuring that it burned the cabin thoroughly. Dorner, a former member of the LAPD who had accused his ex-colleagues of abuse and racism in a lengthy, detailed manifesto, was inside. The cops seemed to have little interest in taking him alive.
“Burn that fucking house down!” shouted a deputy through a scanner transmission inadvertently broadcast on the Los Angeles local news channel, KCAL 9. “Fucking burn this motherfucker!” another cop could be heard exclaiming. They assumed Dorner was hiding there [in the basement], and apparently wanted to ensure that he would be burned to a crisp. “Because the fire is contained, I’m gonna let that heat burn through the basement,” a deputy declared.
There is a grand tradition of law enforcement using incendiary devices to assault besieged suspects, and of covering up their use. One of the most infamous examples of this tactic, and its horrible consequences, was the Philadelphia Police Dept's bombing of the compound of the radical Black nationalist group, M.O.V.E., dropping C-4 explosives by helicopter on the house, killing 11 members of the group, including 5 children, and destroying 65 homes in the West Philadelphia neighborhood.
It was not until the 51-day FBI siege of the Waco, Texas compound of the messianic Branch Davidians that “burners,” or incendiary 40mm military grade cartridges, were used to burn a structure down. Six years after claiming that the Branch Davidians deliberately burned their own compound down, the FBI finally admitted that it used incendiary rounds [FYI: This burn tactic was also used by the LAPD against the Symbonese Liberation Army {SLA} Group during the alleged Patty Hearst kidnapping caper]...
“Burners,” or military grade incendiary grenades, are very likely among the items passed down from the US army to local police outfits like the San Bernardino Sheriff’s Department. The “burner” of choice for the modern American soldier is the AN-M14 TH3. It is a hand held grenade comprised of a THERMITE Mixture that Rapidly Converts to Molten Iron when it is thrown, Burning at a Temperature of 4000 DEGREES Fahrenheit, HOT Enough to BURN THROUGH a Half Inch STEEL Plate or Bring an ENGINE BLOCK to a BOIL…” {
PS- FYI: Super HI-Tech Nano-Thermite residue particles has reportedly been found in the dust blown all over Manhattan due to collapse of WTC 1, 2 & 7 on 9-11-2001.
@ AlterNet: 'How Law Enforcement and Media Covered Up the Plan to Burn Christopher Dorner Alive' [www.alternet.org/print/news-amp-politics/how-law-enforcement-and-media-covered-plan-burn-christopher-dorner-alive ] Some Key excerpts:} 'At 7 PM ET, I [reporter Max Blumenthal] listened through a police scanner as San Bernardino Sheriffs gave the order to burn down the cabin where suspected murderer Christopher Dorner was allegedly hiding. Deputies were maneuvering a remote controlled demolition vehicle to the base of the cabin, using it to tear down the walls of the cabin where Dorner was hiding, and peering inside.
It was then that the deputies decided to burn the cabin down. <“We’re gonna go ahead with the plan with the burner, like we talked about.” one sheriff’s deputy told another. Minutes later, another deputy’s voice crackled across the radio: “The burner’s deployed and we have a fire.”>
For the next hour, I listened as the sheriffs carefully managed the fire, ensuring that it burned the cabin thoroughly. Dorner, a former member of the LAPD who had accused his ex-colleagues of abuse and racism in a lengthy, detailed manifesto, was inside. The cops seemed to have little interest in taking him alive.
“Burn that fucking house down!” shouted a deputy through a scanner transmission inadvertently broadcast on the Los Angeles local news channel, KCAL 9. “Fucking burn this motherfucker!” another cop could be heard exclaiming. They assumed Dorner was hiding there [in the basement], and apparently wanted to ensure that he would be burned to a crisp. “Because the fire is contained, I’m gonna let that heat burn through the basement,” a deputy declared.
There is a grand tradition of law enforcement using incendiary devices to assault besieged suspects, and of covering up their use. One of the most infamous examples of this tactic, and its horrible consequences, was the Philadelphia Police Dept's bombing of the compound of the radical Black nationalist group, M.O.V.E., dropping C-4 explosives by helicopter on the house, killing 11 members of the group, including 5 children, and destroying 65 homes in the West Philadelphia neighborhood.
It was not until the 51-day FBI siege of the Waco, Texas compound of the messianic Branch Davidians that “burners,” or incendiary 40mm military grade cartridges, were used to burn a structure down. Six years after claiming that the Branch Davidians deliberately burned their own compound down, the FBI finally admitted that it used incendiary rounds [FYI: This burn tactic was also used by the LAPD against the Symbonese Liberation Army {SLA} Group during the alleged Patty Hearst kidnapping caper]...
“Burners,” or military grade incendiary grenades, are very likely among the items passed down from the US army to local police outfits like the San Bernardino Sheriff’s Department. The “burner” of choice for the modern American soldier is the AN-M14 TH3. It is a hand held grenade comprised of a THERMITE Mixture that Rapidly Converts to Molten Iron when it is thrown, Burning at a Temperature of 4000 DEGREES Fahrenheit, HOT Enough to BURN THROUGH a Half Inch STEEL Plate or Bring an ENGINE BLOCK to a BOIL…” {
PS- FYI: Super HI-Tech Nano-Thermite residue particles has reportedly been found in the dust blown all over Manhattan due to collapse of WTC 1, 2 & 7 on 9-11-2001.
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