Of course the culture went from South to North. If we have to go into the nitty gritty we see this in cultural pattern. From Kerma an Naqada, the predecessors to Egypt.
Well #1)"euroasians" didn't migrate anywhere Africans were 1st to migrate to Europe, Asia etc. the others came later and intermixed with the original PPL.#2)Africans originally MIGRATED from SOUTH TO NORTH when we think of the Nile.
#3) Mike has all ready discounted this foolishness about NON-blacks or Africans being where near Africa. Stop casually tossing that LIE out there as if it's a fact. NO NON-Blacks were in N.Africa until much later. Mike has brought PROOF of who was is N.Africa ( blacks or Africans)...YOU have not.
But even in Egypt is self throughout the dynasties you will find this pattern in culture etc... From South to North.
-Almoravid
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TF2UGEI0UJU1N08IQ/p70
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Well #1)"euroasians" didn't migrate anywhere Africans were 1st to migrate to Europe, Asia etc. the others came later and intermixed with the original PPL.#2)Africans originally MIGRATED from SOUTH TO NORTH when we think of the Nile.
#3) Mike has all ready discounted this foolishness about NON-blacks or Africans being where near Africa. Stop casually tossing that LIE out there as if it's a fact. NO NON-Blacks were in N.Africa until much later. Mike has brought PROOF of who was is N.Africa ( blacks or Africans)...YOU have not.
-trollslayer
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Almoravid wrote:
Of course the culture went from South to North. If we have to go into the nitty gritty we see this in cultural pattern. From Kerma an Naqada, the predecessors to Egypt.
But even in Egypt is self throughout the dynasties you will find this pattern in culture etc... From South to North.
It said Ancient Egyptians as a WHOLE showed more Affinities with AFRICANS(even African Americans) than with Asiatics and Europeans! LMAO!
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/261/yx58.j...
Sadly I link you the whole study, you have to download it. A guy named Truthcentric had to email it to me.
But anyways its getting worse and worse for Euro______s since Ancient Egypt being African is becoming more and more obvious in academia. This is why Euro__s like Barros says the Ancient Egyptians were mixed as a LAST RESORT. He now has to lie and say there were Eurasians in Lower Egypt for 30k years when NO sources agree with that ridiculous claim and I already showed the Euro____ that there was LITTLE Eurasian gene flow into Lower Egypt.
Jeff who Barros depends on even knows Ancient Egypt was an African civilization..
-Mike
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People are still arguing about this! WTF. It has already been proven, they are black! They came from ta-netjeru which is modern day northern Somalia and Eritrea, they also comprised of various Nilotic groups. I'm Somali and I believe Africans should unite, from Senegal to Somalia and from chad to south Africa. While we're fighting useless wars in Africa Europeans are brainwashing the world. Have you ever heard about the great Zimbabwe? Or how they said the lalibela churches were built by aliens since it could only be built with modern technology? Or the hamtic theory? Obviously, Europeans wont stop with their b.s. until Africans set them straight. If Africa unites nothing can stop us. And don't fall for their divide and conquer techniques, like how they say horn of Africans are not black but Caucasoid. Next they'll claim that khosians are not black but mongloid. At the end of the day we're black Africans! AFRICA JUST HURRY UP AND UNITE.
You should look up Nabta playa by Robert bauval.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
The youtube summary: "Robert Bauval presents evidence that an advanced black African civilization inhabited the Sahara long before Pharaonic Egypt, and reveals black Africa to be at the genesis of ancient civilization and the human story.
The mysterious Nabta Playa ceremonial area and its stone calendar circle and megaliths, and put forward the solid hypothesis that an advanced civilization of black Africans settled in the Sahara long before Pharaonic Egypt existed."
Anyways, good job Big Mike! Keep fighting for Africa.
Europeans in general are unable to deny the truth any longer with all the fact being unmasked. In fact France and Belgium made a movie featuring ancient Egypt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
As you can see the inhabitants have dark skin but they still incorporated blue eyes. It's as if they can't fully accept the truth despite the irrefutable evidence.
And obviously there were various other kingdoms in Africa to.
- kingdom of askum
-kingdom of kush
- Songhai empire
I could keep on going honestly but I'm pretty sure you get the point. Africa should be synonymous to civilization but westerners have distorted the image of Africa and we as Africans should amend it and give Africa the image it fully deserves.
-Elmiboy
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I have heard about it, I haven't read it yet.
But this is in the opening statement of the abstract.
quote:
Bivariate analyses distinguish Jebel Sahaba from European and circumpolar samples, but do not tend to segregate them from recent North or sub-Saharan African samples[...]
--T. W. Holliday* 2013
Population Affinities of the Jebel Sahaba Skeletal Sample: Limb Proportion Evidence
-Almoravid
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Sinajuavi wrote:
You're full of crap, boy.
That provides no evidence for the composition of the population. Clustering with tropically adapted people would occur in a mixed population. With Europe? Nobody is saying Lower Egypt had Europeans in it. They were of Mideastern origin.
So you have nothing, boy. How about some evidence for the DNA of predynastic Lower Egypt? LOL!!! When you find those studies, you'll find that the people there were mixed with Mideasterners.
Who said anything about Europeans? Stop putting words in my mouth. Both Europeans and Middle easterners are NOT tropically adapted mor*n. Asking for me to post genetic evidence for Lower Egyptians is void since THERE IS NOT MANY DNA STUDIES CONDUCTED FOR ANCIENT EGYPTIANS AS A WHOLE! Why don't YOU post some evidence.
Anyways....
"..sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos,"
By contrast an excavated set of around 300 burials from Tell el-Dab'a in the northeast delta belonging to a group considered to be Palestinian immigrants living in the late Middle Kingdom/Second Intermediate Period (1750 BC-1550 BC) have physical characteristics which group them more closely with ancient populations from the Near East and at a greater distance from those from Elephantine..."
~Barry J. Kemp.
"Moving to the opposite geographic extremity, the very small sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty(Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline of variation along the Nile Valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into Palestine. The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans."
~Barry Kemp, Ancient Egypt Anatomy of a Civilisation
^^^See how easy that was? Where is YOUR sources that debunk mines? Stop playing games f**l and trying to save face...
Again id*t...It was the OPPOSITE! Africans were migrating OUT of Lower Egypt not Eurasians migrating in...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1...
Reported...Because I'm an A-hole like that.:)You're a lying piece of crap. Come see me, I'll slap those lies out of you schmuck.
Sinajuavi wrote:
Right... and Berbers are not Aterians.
U6 is no longer Eurasian anyways. Even Jeff agrees HERE:
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/T8J7FKICHDA2B...
So also take this argument up with him...
And again I am still waiting for YOU to post YOUR links proving that Lower Egypt has always been Eurasian since pre-dynastic times.
Again...
'The Levant versus the Horn of Africa: Evidence for Bidirectional Corridors of Human Migrations'
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1...
'The Position of the Nazlet Khater Specimen Among Prehistoric and Modern African and Levantine Populations'
http://www.academia.edu/882847/The_Position_o...
Still waiting for you to debunk my sources with yours. I posted a mountain of evidence backing me up. Wheres yours??? I know why because no such evidence agrees with what you're saying which is why you have not posted none.
Again still waiting.:)
And again Vinca WAS NOT a civilization. We been through this a million times, especially on this thread where you ran like a ______. >:D
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/T7ONGFP2NGKAN...
^^^Don't you remember???
-Mike
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Still...Waiting for Barros to post sources+quotes of Eurasians in Pre-Historic Egypt, he hasn't done so since page 1.:P
Meanwhile:
Aterian-80k-40k
Khormusan Industry-40k-16k
Halfan culture-18k-15k
^^^ALL AFRICAN! Now can you find me a prehistoric Eurasians culture/industry in Egypt around 30k years??? Can you????
I'll wait.:)
-Mike
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We know Barros alias perru the chump is a circus clown. Bozo the clown the funniest clown in town. 300000 thousand years of nothingness.Where is the evidence of Eurasian admixed Egyptians or even Eurasians in Egypt since "Stone Age times"?? If you ask me this notion of 'mixed Egyptians' is the last refuge that Eurocentrics have. For centuries, whites have denied any and everything African about Egypt and labeled them as Caucasoids whose civilization is 'Near Eastern'. But now that the overwhelming evidence for Egypt's African identity becomes apparent, they only try to concede half way through this silly proxy that they were part African and part Eurasian. They use the modern populace as an example while ignoring the centuries of invasions and immigrations from post-Roman through Islamic times.
Yet not only do we have cranial studies like those of Zakrewski but even DNA Tribes findings showing the ancients (at least royals) to be different from modern Egyptians in that they were very much African.
I say let the naysayers say whatever they want. The evidence speaks for itself. That modern Egyptians are mixed is a given. The baroness is in opium heaven.
-Shakryt
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I just can't stand that they try to pass off this myth that the Egyptians used to be a different people. Every genetics study says otherwise, and Keita, despite how he frames it, agrees.
That modern Egyptians are not identical to ancient Egyptians is no "myth"
but something proved by both DNA and cranial studies. What about this can
you not "stand?" Here's some data you insinuate is "missing.."
3. MODERN EGYPTIAN POPULATION NOT NECESSARILY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ANCIENTS QUOTE:
"Cosmopolitan northern Egypt is less likely to have
a population representative of the core indigenous
population of the most ancient times“
– Keita 2005. History in Africa, 2005, 32(1).221-246
"Outside influence and admixture with extra-regional groups primarily occurred in
Lower Egypt—perhaps during the later dynastic, but especially in Ptolemaic and Roman times
also Irish, 2006 .”
-Irish 2009. Dental_affinities_of_the_C-gro up_inhabitants.. Ec Hi Rev
4. NUBIANS MORE RELATED TO ANCIENT EGYPTIANS- QUOTE:
"Studies of cranial morphology also support the use of a Nubian (Kerma)
population for a comparison of the Dynastic period, as this group is
likely to be more closely genetically related to the early Nile valley
inhabitants than would be the Late Dynastic Egyptians, who likely experienced
significant mixing with other Mediterranean populations (Zakrzewski, 2002).
A craniometric study found the Naqada and Kerma populations to be morphologically
similar (Keita, 1990). Given these and other prior studies suggesting continuity
(Berry ET AL., 1967; Berry and Berry, 1972), and the lack of archaeological
evidence of major migration or population replacement during the Neolithic
transition in the Nile valley, we may cautiously interpret the dental health
changes over time as primarily due to ecological, subsistence, and demographic
changes experienced throughout the Nile valley region."
-Starling & Stock 2007. Dental indicators of health.. AJPA 134: 520-28-
5. MODERN EGYPTIANS A MIXED POPULATION WITH EUROPEAN AND ARAB STRANDS-NOT IDENTICAL TO ANCIENTS:
“Classical genetic studies show a high degree of genetic heterogeneity in
the modern Egyptian population, suggesting that this population is descended
from a mixture of African, Asian, and Arabian stock (Mahmoud et al. 1987;
Hafez et al. 1986). Genetic heterogeneity within the Egyptian gene pool is
also supported by more recent studies using autosomal STR markers
(Klintschar et al. 1998; 2001)."
---Manni et al 2002. Y-chromosome analysis in Egypt, Hum Bio, 74:5, 645-658
-Shakryt
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