My Debate with an Extremist

The Person: Don't you need a war for something to be a warcrime? Now that you mention it, most slaves were captured POWs among warring African nations, sold by Africans to whatever Slave trader paid the highest bid for them.

Me: Slavery by definition is an act of war against human lives. Also, many wars involved slavery. So, yes, the Maafa was a war crime point blank period exclamation point. Slaves were sold and mostly Europeans (not African nations) organized the ships, the plans, the chains, the slave travel routes, the evil empires internationally, the plantations, and the faux religious "justifications" to kidnap millions of black people into the Americas. Most Africans were never involved in the slave trade back then. So, that card doesn't work on me. Also, European imperialists exterminated millions of Native Americans and black Africans (like King Leopold I of Belgium killing over 10 million Congolese black people). European imperialists exterminated millions and you omit that because of the obvious reasons. I'm a progressive black person who rejects historical revisionism. I don't condone corrupt slave traders of any color. What I won't do is omit the crimes of European imperialists that you are doing.

Black Lives Matter.

The Person: By whose definition? Slavery is a human rights violation, but it was not considered a "war crime" to buy a slave by any convention that was in force at the time of the slave trade that led to millions of slaves coming to North America, and tens of millions of slaves going to South America.
The war crime- the real actual war crime- was when these black folks were captured in battle with other african nations, and then sold into slavery by their captors- which were other african nations they were at war with.
The overwhelming number of slaves sold from Africa went to the Middle east, and were bought and sold by Arabs, not Europeans. Arabs also traded in white and Asian slaves as well.
Arab Muslims spread Islam by the sword and exterminated 10s of millions of Africans, taking millions of slaves in the process.
Asian warlords such as Ghengis Khan wiped out approximately 10% of the entire world population, taking millions of slaves in the process.
There were several wars in what would later become China that wiped out as much as 20% of the entire world population at the time, and these wars all involved large scale slave trading.
Sadly, this is a practice that was also very prevalent in Asia and the Middle east, and went on for millenia before the first black or white stepped foot in America.
It has been eliminated everywhere in the world EXCEPT for Africa- where slaves are still openly bought and sold at auctions today. Right now, today...there are blacks selling other blacks into slavery in Africa.
If you are a black living in America today you are TREMENDOUSLY privileged when compared to the standard of living, life expectancy, and wealth of any African country. Of in fact, the average global standards.
If you congregated all the blacks in America today, and pooled their wealth, they would be the 10th richest country on Earth.
At one time or another every race has been enslaved by every other race on Earth. Nothing can be done about it.
It's time to move on.

Me: I know you would respond in that fashion since you can't face facts. I will move on from nothing, because slavery continues to this very day. Jewish people don't move on from the Shoah and I don't move on from slavery. The slave trade continues to exist in Libya against black Africans. Therefore, people have the right to confront these injustices and not brush them under the rug. Now, I will go on to refute the rest of your statements.

Slavery is a war crime since it's a violation of human rights (Under the Statute of the International Criminal Court, sexual slavery is a war crime. The Geneva Convention condemns slavery too). It involves torture, human terror, and violence. Also, wars have revolve around slavery for thousands of years too. Kidnapping and enslavement are immoral and evil. You are using word gymnastics. African nations fought against each other and that's true. Many people in African tribes were involved in slavery and no one I know denies that. Yet, these African nations never invented the international, trans-Atlantic slave trade. Portugal and other European powers did. African nations never built the ships, organized the routes, created every plantation, created religious lies to try to "justify" such evils, created the Triangular Trade, or sent millions of innocent black people into the Americas over centuries.

The actual war crimes involve white imperialists beating slaves in American slave plantations, the European criminals using chains on the slave ships harming black men, women, and children, etc. The real war crimes also involve white racists using metal objects to torture black slaves in the Americas, white terrorists destroying Black Wall Street, the peonage system, and other atrocities. Also, many black slaves in America were abused. Therefore, you offer no rebuttal. You deflect from the real issue. The real issue is that the brutality of slavery must not be omitted and the experiences of black people ought to be respected (and black people have the right to confront white racism). You talk about slave traders and they are criminals and evil people too (regardless of skin color). I fully exposed them, but you want to omit the European involvement since you have an agenda.

MOST AFRICANS WERE NEVER INVOLVED IN THE INTERNATIONAL SLAVE TRADE AND YOU KNOW THIS.

WWII RESULTED IN THE DEATHS OF ALMOST 100 MILLION PEOPLE. THAT'S MUCH WORSE THAN GENGHIS KHAN. THE PEOPLE WHO STARTED WWII WEREN'T PEOPLE OF COLOR, BUT WHITE SUPREMACISTS IN THE NAZI PARTY. THAT FACT OF HISTORY REFUTES YOUR SLICK LIES.

You cite the Arabic slave trade and that refutes you again. The Arabic slave trade was evil and unjust. Millions of black people were enslaved. Many black and white people were enslaved in that slave trade and that's true. That reality doesn't omit the also brutal European imperialist Maafa. It just shows that oppression has been executed by a diversity of people and all injustices must be condemned 100 percent. I didn't omit the Arabic slave trade, but you do omit the European slave trade. You have said nothing about King Leopold I's extermination of over 10 million black Africans, because you want to downplay the criminal terrorism done by some Europeans. Many Europeans exterminated millions in the Holocaust and millions of Native Americans.

You talk about Arabic people. I already know about the extensive nature and the evil brutality of the Arabic slave trade. It lasted for centuries. No one rational justifies it. I don't agree with it and it was horrible. Likewise, we expose all evil slave trades not just one. Also, it is important to note that some people (who are Arabic) were involved in the slave trade and some enacted terrorism. Yet, not all Arabic people and not all Muslims are like this. Anyone using a false, unfair generalization against all people in an ethnic group is by definition a racist.

I already know about Genghis Khan. I know about the events among the dynasties of China. Slavery existed for a millennia, but the Maafa was different because of many reasons. One is that the Maafa involved trans-Atlantic continental kidnapping, many Africans were stripped of their language, culture, and creed, and many Africans were treated brutality (via assault, international kidnapping, branding, assault, metal torture, and other evils unheard of on that level before that time). Over 10 million Africans were kidnapped and sent into the Americas. No other ethnic group experienced that in human history except for black people. At least 2 million black people died during the Middle Passage. The history of slavery should be known not omitted by you or anyone else.

Also, European imperialists conquered territories and executed millions of people (LIKE BLACK PEOPLE, NATIVE AMERICANS, PACIFIC ISLANDERS, ASIANS, AND OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR. 90% OF NATIVE AMERICANS WERE EXTERMINATED IN THE AMERICAS) in AFRICA, THE AMERICAS, EUROPE, ASIA, AUSTRALIA, OCEANIA FOR CENTURIES. THAT IS MUCH MORE THAN GENGHIS KHAN HAS EVER DID.

YOU DENYING THAT THE MAAFA WAS A WAR CRIME IS DISGRACEFUL ON YOUR PART.

Your other lie is that slavery is eliminated except in Africa. There is illegal slavery in America, Europe, etc. There is human trafficking and forced kidnapping, which is slavery. There are non-black people using slave auctions against black people in the world, so you are intentionally being deceptive. Also, Africa is a beautiful continent with modern technology, great people, and excellent culture. There are tons of cities in Africa. Evil people exist in Africa and they exist worldwide not just in Africa. So, you should be educated about real African cultures.

I have the right to expose anti-black racism and there is nothing you can do about it. There is no evidence that black people committed the Maafa in similar scale against white people. There is no evidence of black people committing genocide on the level of the Holocaust of King Leopold I's genocide against white people. There is no evidence of black people running every aspect of the international slave trade. There is plenty of evidence of many white people trying to use bigotry as an excuse to sugarcoat European imperialist terrorism against multiple continents. Some African nations suffer because of European colonialism, which has damaged many people in Africa. European colonialism wasn't created by African nations, but by European criminal imperialists period. You omission of white racist terrorism is a disgrace.

Every ethnic group has been enslaved, but the African slave trade was the most brutal emotionally damaging slave trade in human history. There is no comparison and you know this. African Americans as compared to the Western elites are not extremely privileged. Many black Americans suffer discrimination, the prison industrial complex, poverty, health issues, etc. Many black people suffer racism worldwide, so there is no minimizing of the experiences of black Americans. Also, many African nations have wealth and have improved their life expectancy like Nigeria, Ghana, Benin, etc. Ethiopia has improved its economy. Ghana and Nigerian life expectancy has radically improved since 1950. So, you are refuted.

IT IS A NECESSITY TO END AND DEFEAT THE SYSTEM OF WHITE SUPREMACY.

Things can be done about evil. People can work in organizations, etc. to fight injustice in the present and in the future.

It's time to never move on. It's time to move. It's time to move against evil, confront white racism ,and create justice.

Black Lives Matter.