Pro-Life Debates Part 1
Here's a news flash for all the Pro-Lifers"Childbearing [should be] a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license ... All potential parents [should be] required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing."
David Brower - first Executive Director of the Sierra Club; founder of Friends of the Earth; and founder of the Earth Island Institute - quoted by Dixie Lee Ray, Trashing the Planet, p.166This is from a post athttp/www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentary/RaceWar.htmWhat is interesting is the the pro-lifers,/anti-abortion Busjevics are specifically connected to this policy while advocating the right to life. They also advocate the elimination of people with lower IQ's which I do believe would eliminate Bush himself.
Response: I peacefully disagree. First, Bush is not truly Pro-Life as any man who looks at the evidence see. Bush said that Roe V. Wade ought not to be eliminated now, abortion is justified for rape, incest, and to save the mothers' life. He supported Ru-486, which is the abortion pill that has caused dangerous side effects unto many women. Second, many Pro-Lifers aren't followers of Bush like Cutting Edge Ministries, LIberty to Captives, Watch Unto Prayer, and tons of other Pro-Lifers that disagree with Bush on a host of issues. Real Pro-Lifers (even those brainwashed into supporting Bush) will never supported killing people with lower IQ. In fact, Margaret Sanger is quoted as being in favor of segregating those who have a low IQ. She even meet with the KKK and really Hitler and his crowd were adamantly Pro-Choice. That is something that the Pro-Choice crowd doesn't want you to know. Not to mention that Condy Rice is Pro-Choice so all of Bush's team aren't Pro-Life at all. Really, the U.N., many elites, and many liberals also (just like some reactionaries) have supported cutting down the world's population like Ted Turner, Prince Philip, the UNFPA, and other people plus programs. I don't need a newsflash, because the truth is real and I've been here before. Nothing is new under the Sun. Many Pro-Choicers claim that the Pro-Life Movement is hypocritical, but we're not. We support innocent life not illegal wars, etc.
yourethenazis: And yet you people support the war in Iraq.
shiprah: Some of us do and some of us don't.
Are you aware more than 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians have been killed?
shiprah: Yes, its a heartbreaking tragedy. Not to mention the number of American lives that have been lost.
You say pro-choise people are nazis, but what's more Hitler-esque here?Aborting a fetus, or discriminating against people of a certain (middle-eastern) ethnicity?
shiprah: the deliberate killing of the innocent as opposed to the unintentional is more Hitleresque, we're not at war because of the ethnicity of the ppl but b/c of the threat of terrorism. Besides, do you realize that Islam is a prolife religion? The Iraqi's agree with our stance against abortion. If you feel that the killing of innocent Iraqi's is wrong, great, so do we, but how does that justify the killing of innocent babies?
Or the government being able to take people prisoner for no reason and hold them without bail and deny their legal right to an attorney?
shiprah: This is horrible, but it's not equivalent to killing ppl.
How a government that continually controls and censors the media, or just outright lies to its citizens?
shiprah: Like when preborn babies are denied the right to life through a pro-choice media's censorship?
We live in the "land of the free," and we're trying to bring freedom to Iraq, yet we deny basic freedoms to people here everyday.
shiprah: Like the right to life, so you agree with us. It's terrible in the land of the free we deny the basic right to life to preborn people.
Average income disparities between gender and race are still enormous.
shiprah: Yes, but there is no right to equal income in non-Comunistic countries, and the right to life is more important than the right to money. Besides, are you aware of how abortion has contributed to the feminization of poverty. If you are hurt by the income disparities between gender, why do you want white males to benefit from a multimillion dollar abortion industry, getting richer off minorities and women.
There is a severely unequal distribution of wealth in this country, and the wealthy are blatantly favored by this "administration."
shiprah: Because the rich get the same tax cuts as everyone else? That's not favoring the rich, that's treating them equally. Are you aware that during republican eras more minorities graduate from high school and college and start businesses than any other time? Check out the census. In fact, this administration gives tons of money to start small business so that poor people can be self employed and employ others. This administration doesn't favor the rich, it helps all americans.
Gays and Lesbians are denied their civil rights are guaranteed to them by the Constitution.
shiprah: Marriage isn't a right. For example, you can't marry someone within your family or marry more than one person. You aren't claiming that polygamous and the incestuous are being denied their rights, so you must still believe that there should be some groups who don't have the right to marry as they please. If so, how is this different from some people thinking that gays should be one of the groups not allowed to marry as they wish?
There is an increasing blur between church and state, as the two are practically inseparable from each other under Bush's regime.
shiprah: Bush doesn't uphold any Christian values that aren't already in the Constitution. Yes he supports abstinence education -- but states taht use it have less teen pregnancy. He supports church based addiction help programs -- but it works. Can you think of any negative aspects of his values that he has used in his regime?
The only regime that was more "Nazi" than this was the Nazi regime itself.
shiprah: Really? With the genocide in Rwanda, the massacres of Guatemala, the killing of people who attempt to flee Cuba, you think that the Bush administration is the only regime more Nazi than that of the Nazi's? Why don't you talk to someone who lived under the Taliban or a refugee. I work with Sudanese refugees, believe me, there are much worse regimes.
You people need to realize that even if abortion were outlawed, it would still be performed, only under much less safe conditions, which would result in more hospital visits, which could result in your losing money (many county hospitals receive public funding).
shiprah: I would prefer less funding if less abortions were performed.
Or, people could just go to Canada or Mexico, which could hurt our economy which could make you lose money.
shiprah: I don't care about the money. I just don't want the babies to die.
You people should all be ashamed of yourselves.
shiprah: Why should we be ashamed for fighting for YOUR right to be born?
I'm hardly pro-choice, but even I can see that you are all just as crazy as the liberal leftists that you hate so much.
shiprah: A bunch of us are liberal leftists. We don't hate them.You seem to be deeply affected by societies evils. So are we? So why are you against every evil but one, abortion?
-------------------------The rights of children as individuals begin while yet they remain the fetus-- Victoria Woodhull, U.S.'s first female presidential candidate, 18701994 study in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute found: "Among women who had been pregnant at least once, the risk of breast cancer in those who had experienced an induced abortion was 50% higher than among other women."