From http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=25690
SUMMARY OF MY ANALYSIS ON THE ORDERS OF INFLUENCE OF THE PAPAL-LOYAL ORDERS (Quoted from above):
| QUOTE | If the Papal bloodlines are considered superior to the Society of Jesus, & the commoner Jesuit Superior-General is argued to be the master of the Pope; then surely the leading Catholic Royal orders (the Order of the Golden Fleece - both Spanish & Austrian branches under the King of Spain & Otto von Habsburg respectively; the Order of St Januarius; & the Constantinian Order (both Hispano-Neapolitan & Franco-Neapolitan branches for the latter two orders, under the Duke of Calabria & the Duke of Castro respectively, the F-N branch also having a Cardinal - & in fact the only current Jesuit who is a Cardinal - as its Grand Prior: the French Albert Vanhoye) should be higher than the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre, especially when also noting that there are 31 Cardinals who are F-N Constantinians, contrasted with the Order of the Holy Sepulchre's 17 Cardinals. The fact that the chart plays down the importance of the Order of the Holy Sepulchre in contrast with the Order of Malta is unsurprising, the Holy Sepulchre being a far more low profile entity & no doubt preferring to remain as such. But membership of either is very easy to obtain unlike being a member of the Golden Fleece, Order of St Januarius or Constantinians, which are either exclusively royal & aristocratic or are primarily so. |
RESPONSE TO MY COMMENT:
| QUOTE | For the mafia, it is included for "being made". Most mafia rituals originated within the Constantinian Order itself. Very pseudo-masonic. For power's sake and crime, drug-trafficking, and prostitution, it's a high order. And being one makes you above the law, SO I would say it is higher then the 'fleece' and order of Malta. Equestrians are the 'invisibles', above the law, hidden, unknown. For that reason I would say they are higher then both. |
MY RESPONSE IN TURN:
I think that you are stating the following:
* "Made" Mafia members (presumably "being made" refers to the higher Mafia members) are granted membership in the Franco-Neapolitan Constantinian Order under Prince Carlo, Duke of Castro.
* For power & crime the F-N CO is a high order.
* "Equestrians" (Knights of the Holy Sepulchre) are above the law.
[T: How so?]
* The F-N Constantinian Order is higher than both the Order of the Golden Fleece & the Order of Malta.
[T: While I agree that all the evidence suggests that the Constantinian Order (& I also include the Hispano-Neapolitan branch here) are higher than the Order of Malta, I absolutely refute that the CO can be above the Golden Fleece. The order of precedence within the knighthood order is without doubt:
1: Order of the Golden Fleece (both branches, though which is superior out of the Spanish & Austrian I have yet to establish to my own satisfaction);
2: Order of St Januarius (both branches: Hispano-Neapolitan & Franco-Neapolitan);
3: Constantinian Order (both branches: Hispano-Neapolitan & Franco-Neapolitan);
Then I contend that the hierarchy of influence is:
4: Order of the Holy Sepulchre;
5: Orders of Malta & St John.
As has been stated to me previously by the same source who responded to my comment above, the King of Spain, Juan Carlos I is (apart from the Papal bloodline elite) second only to the Jesuit Superior-General, thus the Jesuits via the Jesuit Superior-General are above the Order of the Golden Fleece, as the King of Spain is also the Grand Master of the Spanish branch of the Order of the Golden Fleece. Another Jesuit Agenda researcher has recently presented evidence that has led him to believe that Otto von Habsburg - Grand Master of the Spanish branch of the Order of the Golden Fleece - is above the Jesuits, a contention that I do not concur with based on the evidence presented to date, although a number of interesting points were made in that presentation.]
However I cannot work out what the commentator means when he states:
| QUOTE | I would say it [the Constantinian Order] is higher then the 'fleece' and order of Malta. Equestrians are the 'invisibles', above the law, hidden, unknown. For that reason I would say they [the Order of the Holy Sepulchre] are higher then both. |
The Order of the Holy Sepulchre is higher than both?
Who are "both"?
* The Order of Malta? (Agreed);
* The Constantinian Order? (Disagreed, although I would be open to considering any verifiable evidence that can support any claims contrary to my own assessment);
* The Order of the Golden Fleece? (Absolutely disagreed, I see no evidence of this whatsoever).
The following facts (from a Guy Stair Sainty piece) in relation to the Hispano-Neapolitan branches of the Order of St Januarius & Constantinian Order are worth noting here:
http://www.bourbon-two-sicilies.org/englis...us_history.html
| QUOTE | Since 1960 the Order has been awarded sparingly and total membership (including Royal Princes) has not exceeded eighty, most of the knights being members of Royal Houses, senior officers of the Constantinian Order or Italian grandees. The Infante Don Carlos, Duke of Calabria and his late father, both followed the example of the nineteenth century Sovereigns of the Two Sicilies in awarding the Order not only to the heads of other Royal Houses (or reigning Sovereigns), but also to their closest advisers, several of whom also hold high office in the Constantinian Order. [2-31] |
& from the footnote to the above passage in the article quoted above in relation to the Order of Malta & the Franco-Neapolitan branch of the Order of St Januarius are worth noting here:
| QUOTE | [2-31] The Dukes of Castro, in contrast, have preferred to accord the Order to the representatives of great Italian families and members of the Two Sicilies dynasty, the only exceptions being the present and preceding Grand Masters of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, the late King Umberto II of Italy, one Cardinal and three non Italian members of their Constantinian Deputation. |
| QUOTE | SUCCESSION TO THE GRAND MAGISTERY OF THE ORDER OF SAINT JANUARIUS AND TO THE DIGNITY OF HEAD OF THE ROYAL HOUSE OF THE TWO SICILIES The succession to the dignity of Head of the Royal House of the Two Sicilies passes by male primogeniture among the descendants born of legitimate dynastic marriage of Ferdinand IV and III, King of Naples and Sicily, later Ferdinand I, King of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, and following their extinction to the male line descendants by order of primogeniture of the younger brothers of that King, provided always that possession of the Sovereignty of the Two Sicilies must never be united with the Crown of Spain. Those princes whose marriage contradict the laws of the dynasty retain their own rights of succession but cannot pass it on to their heirs. Authority over the marriages of Princes and Princesses of the Two Sicilies rests with the Head of the Royal House, who must authorize such marriages; failing such authorization they may be considered incapable of transmitting dynastic rights and titles to the spouse and descendants of the marriage. The Grand Magistery of the Constantinian Order is an ecclesiastical office hereditary by male primogeniture in the House of Bourbon-Farnese; the position of being legitimate primogeniture heir of the Farnese was abdicated to King Ferdinando IV and III of Naples and Sicily by act of King Charles III of Spain of 16th October 1759, confirmed subsequently by Papal Bull. This succession has continued to pass by male primogeniture among the descendants of Ferdinando IV and III, born of legitimate marriage. |
From the last published roll of members of the Hispano-Neapolitan branch of the Order of St Januarius we see the two official connections between this order & the Order of the Holy Sepulchre & the Order of Malta.
http://www.bourbon-two-sicilies.org/englis...membership.html
| QUOTE | * S.E. Conte Don Agostino Borromeo, dei Marchesi di Pandano e Conti di Arona, Patrizio Milanese, Gran Cancelliere dell'Ordine Equestre del Santo Sepolcro di Gerusalemme *S.E. Don Giuseppe Bonanno, Principe di Linguaglossa, Ambasciatore del S.M.O.M., Presidente dell'Associazione Italiana e Membro della Deputazione dell'Ordine Costantiniano. |
Juan Carlos I (King of Spain) & Otto von Habsburg (both being the Grand Masters of the two branches of the more influential Order of the Golden Fleece) are also listed as being senior members of the Hispano-Neapolitan branch of the Order of St Januarius. The majority are also senior Hispano-Neapolitan Constantinian Knights. There are a number of other names that I recognise as also being Knights of Malta.
As a note on the Hispano-Neapolitan Constantinian Order:
http://www.bourbon-two-sicilies.org/englis...stantinian.html
| QUOTE | SACRED MILITARY CONSTANTINIAN ORDER OF ST. GEORGE Since 1731 this has been the inheritance of the Bourbon family descended from Philip V of Spain and his wife Elizabeth Farnese.The Sacred Military Constantinian Order of Saint George received confirmation as a Religious-Military Order from the Holy See and, with the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, is the only international Catholic Order which has maintained this status unchanged to the present day. It is a subject of Roman Catholic Canon Law. The Order is dedicated to propaganda of the Faith, Defence of the Church and support of the Holy See; the members owe a particular duty of loyalty to the Pope and to support the teachings and dogma of the Roman Catholic Church. The Constantinian Grand Magistery is an inheritance by male primogeniture from the Farnese dynasty. On the extinction of the latter, the succession passed with Papal assent to the nearest male heir, the Infante don Carlos de Borbón y Farnese (later Charles III of Spain). In 1759, after the latter transferred his Neapolitan Crown to his third son Ferdinand, the Constantinian Grand Magistery was ceded in a separate act ten days later, the young King Ferdinand being declared "legitimate primogeniture male heir of the Farnese". The succession to the Constantinian Grand Magistery can only pass to males and, on the extinction of the last male descendant of Charles III, it passes to the Bourbon-Parma line. Today the Order flourishes under its XIth Grand Master in succession from Francesco Farnese, the Infante Don Carlos de Borbón-Dos Sicilias y Borbón-Parma, Duke of Calabria, doyen of the Knights of the Golden Fleece. There are nearly one thousand four hundred members predominately of Italian or Spanish birth, but also including Portuguese, British, German, French, Swiss, Belgian, Austrian and American knights and dames. |
Note the many references above to the Farneses. I am not conversant with the Farnese connection to the Papal Bloodlines or the Jesuits, so perhaps someone can comment if anything comes to mind regarding this connection.
I am sure that you will all find the photos it the following article recording the investiture of current Order of Malta Grand Master (& thus Papal Prince & Vatican Cardinal) Matthew Festing into the Franco-Neapolitan branches of the Order of St Januarius & Constantinian Order to be of interest:
http://www.realcasadiborbone.it/ita/oggi/e....php?id=742#742
- TS
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