From http://godsholywarriors.yuku.com/sreply/18352/t/Insane-argument-Art-Are-you-serious.html
Our very imaginative Mr. Arthur Dent (I really wish I knew who our Australian friend's real name was... doubt it is the same as the one out of the Hitchhiker's Guide books though) has said this:
"Abortion can be justified on a number of grounds. Killing people is also legal, at least in the USA, ie execution, defence, war." - ArthurD
Now... that is certainly comparable to killing innocent and helpless unborn babies.
Executing murderers who have shed innocent blood is as innocent as babies according to this argument. Killing others in defense of your own and your nation as they are trying to kill you is of course just like killing innocent unborn babies. Hmmmm... a guy holding a gun and wanting to murder me and my family is just as innocent as the unborn child in my wife's womb? Hmmmmmm....
Your values are skewed. And it doesn't take a prophet to see that from that one statement. In fact, how can you handle yourself having made that statement. Do you believe it yourself?
I want to know Art! Do you believe what you just said yourself? Is the innocent lives of unborn children to be left unprotected from murder? Or better... hey... is the killing of the murder who has innocent blood on their hands or the killing in defense the same as an unborn baby who has not even been given the privilege of taking their first breath yet???
If you really think that it is the same thing, then you are from some other race than my own... for that is basic human values at work there my friend. It is a basic morality that God has placed in all of us. It takes a really hardened character to override that basic moral value of right and wrong to that degree.
So, do you really believe that, or is this some rhetoric to try and make a point?
I know that you can't probably understand this...
but killing in wartime in defense is preserving life. And even the execution of a murderer before he can kill again and to discourage other murderers is preserving of life. Peace would be nice if it just came peacefully, but because of the evil in so many men's hearts, it many times must be bought with a price.
But murdering the innocent unborn? This cannot be compared... how are you saving lives by slaughtering the unborn surgically?
The only reason you could make an argument like this is if you have stripped yourself of your own basic human morality.
Tell me you haven't done this and this is just rhetoric... please... it would truly bother me if you were beyond understanding this. Your own argument here makes a very profoundly sad statement on your own values.
By the way... denomination line? Whatever that means... that is basic human morality that God put in us all and it is backed up by His Word. Man-made denominations does not come into it. It is just wrong.
-James
FireStorm
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Philippians 3:8-10 " 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
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PRO-ABORTION ARGUMENT:
"The fetus is just a part of the pregnant woman's body. Like her tonsils or appendix."
PRO-LIFE ANSWER: Part 1
A body part is defined by the common genetic code it shares with the rest of it's body; the unborn's genetic code differs from the mother's.
Every cell of the mother's tonsils, appendix, heart, and lungs share the same genetic code. The unborn child also has a genetic code, distinctly different from his mother's. Every cell of his body is uniquely his, each different than every cell of his mother's body. Often his blood-type is also different, and half the time even his gender.
Half of the child's 46 chromosomes come from his father, half from the mother. Just as no two people have identical fingerprints, no two people have identical genetic fingerprints. If one body is inside another, but each has its own unique genetic code, then there is not one person, but two seperate people.
A Chinese zygote implanted in a Swedish woman will always be Chinese, not Swedish, because his identity is based on his genetic code, not that of the body in which he resides. If there were only one body involved in a pregnancy, then that body has two noses, four legs, two sets of fingerprints, two brains, and two skeletal systems. Half the time the child is male; clearly his sex organs are not part of the mother's body, but his own.
It is ignorant to argue that the child is a part of the mothers body and doesn't have a body of it's own.
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