http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=105934.40
Guess you don't understand the difference between Communism and regulation. Communism actively decides what industry should make, no matter the actual demand. Therefore, you get oversupply and undersupply. Regulation does not control the output of industry. It simply levels the playing field. Monopolies should be regulated. Food companies that serve poisonous food to uninformed people should be outlawed. People should have some insurance for their money so they don't make a run on their banks.
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Ms Julie, you are so young, so naive, and so arrogant. You think you know it all. Anyway, what you speak of as "economic freedom" is Laissez Faire. It's the purest form of capitalism. Laissez faire is impossible with current human behavior. The result of it would be huge economic swings up and down (already been tried). This does not instill confidence in the rest of society. Therefore you need SOME dampers on the economy. The national govt is usually the best able to impart these controls.
TheArfdog
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How would closing the FED stop the plutocracy and the concentration of wealth in the country. BTW TokenLibertarianGirl, are you a capitalist? Do you have a job? How poor are you? In the bottom 60%?
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I would NEVER EVER support any one or any piece of legislature that intentionally hurts the poor, minium wage doesnt hurt the poor, nor does any government program that offers ASSITANCE the poor, that makes no sense, so i guess i perpuate sickness too huh, cuz I support people going to doctors when they are sick, anyhow you said you would help someone who cant afford to pay for schooling , number 1 do you have enough money to help and number 2 , one way of helping is payin more in tax
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The "fraternal societies" were basically unions. I find it interesting that the same people who complain about paying taxes also bust unions. They pick & choose facts to fit the current debate.The Great Society didn't work because it was underfunded - like almost everything in past decades. Corporations purchased our election process, put their minions in place in OUR gov't., underfunded social programs, then pointed out that they didn't work. They are disingenuous. LBJ directed funds to VN war.
tripfunkmonster 7 months ago
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Wrong, wrong, wrong. So many wrong points mixed together, along with one rationalization or half-truth after another and another... wow. This is terrible. a) There are DOZENS of countries in Europe, along with Canada and Japan and Australia, that have the economic things the OWS protestors are demanding, and these countries have FAR less poverty and economic injustice. b) What about the super-rich 1% who aren't paying their fair share of taxes?? Even Warren Buffet & other super-rich admit it!
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e) free-market capitalism fails horribly in countless situations, all across the planet, creating a 2- class system where a tiny percent own everything and the rest work themselves to death for slave wages, without health benefits or adequate food or infrastructure. The fantasy of "Libertarian Capitalism" being an ideal system is as much nonsense as Communism. People get brainwashed into thinking it's perfect, then overlook it's countless flaws, and rationalize what they want to endlessly.
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WATCH "FRONTLINE THE WARNING" Alan Greenspan clearly states he was a libertarian and he was the one that advised clinton to deregulate the banks and repeal the glass steagall act that thus caused our economic crisis with mortgage backed securities and credit default swaps. but I bet you have no idea what the hell that is. Most american voters just want to vote along party lines because they are brainwashed by partisian politics . occupy wallstreet is protesting the fed.
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so becuase we cant define a fair share, they should be allowed to use loopholes and things to pay lower taxes than us, and or pay no taxes at all, hmm why not return the tax rates to clinton tax rates , we were told their tax cut would create jobs, its been 10 years and no jobs , so why not revoke their tax cuts, the same way if you dont pay for yer hbo subscription this month ,you wont get hbo, if you didnt create jobs , you dont get the tax cuts.
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Yes if the governments like the one we have now through *campaign donations and other means. They are bought out by Rockefeller etc.. Yes Government are a tool for them. I agree on central banking and your view on the fed.
As for Uni health and SS, SS was solvent for more than 24 more years. But through money manipulation etc.. congress allocated those funds elsewhere. Uni health we give Israel like 5billion a year they have uni health lol, Also so does most of today's modern govs.
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libritararianism is a dream and would only work if everybody was a saint. While we live in anything but a perfect society libers. live in a kindergarden like fantacy world where everybody is good and evil doers will shamed. Get Real! the whole Ron Paul crowd give lip service only. They will always stay a small minority because it just doesn't work. But it sounds so great. Nice try.
apingos 8 months ago
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I'm not a fan of the central bank of the USA, but don't use that as an excuse to not hold bankers accountable for their high crimes. That argument is absolutely horrid and shouldn't be pursued by any rational people any longer.
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I'm sure you're familiar with Paul Krugman (though not likely a fan, especially after Ron Paul branded him "a socialist") who says that the wealthiest in the United States NY Times article November 27/28th - "Things to Tax" - might be able to help the rest out. Now, a one hundred percent income tax would be disastrous, as you say, however a seventy percent marginal income tax rate - a la 1980 - would close the federal deficit AND then some, to allow more of the debt
To be paid down, faster. As to your question of the fair share of the most affluent, the whole of the American populace should evaluate their needs and be able to adjust excise taxes, sin taxes, value-added taxes and any other taxes accordingly. To pay for free college - or, as we say up North 'university' - education and a public health insurance option and plug the deficit hole, fifty percent is approximately what one economist says is needed.
Finally, as a proud leftist, I've been meaning to ask someone of your persuasion a particular couple of questions. Those on the right - perhaps more so conservatives than libertarians - claim that equality of outcome would be and is a horrendous idea, although equality of opportunity is something they stand for. In your ideal libertarian United States, does a child born into a low income household truly have the same choices as one born of millionaires or billionaires?
Shouldn't the estate tax at least remain progressive and in place? If the wealthy simply pay no taxes during their lifetime and none when they die, won't there be accumulation, concentration of capital after several generations? Wouldn't this lead to monopolies anyway?
