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ERIC PHELPS THREAD/VATICAN-JESUIT EXPOSE DEBATE THREAD

RESPONSE TO SAL:

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Yes, a new thread is desirable.

This was an affirmation of Andre's:

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...yes, it is a worthwhile discussion, I just think this is the wrong thread for it. But I am going to fix that when I get a chance. So when you come to this thread and this discussion is gone, look for it in the "controversy" section. It will be clearly named.

Okay, let's think about this for a moment:

Does anyone really think that this thread was actually started just to attack a man called Eric Phelps who happens to have a well-developed thesis on the true nature of the covert global power structure or to attack the essential basis of that thesis & all who make to wish the supporting evidence more widely known?

If self-confessed pro-Jesuit Italian aristocratic Freemason who happily visits & mingles with the Jesuits in Borgo Spirito Santo in Rome, Vivian "of Rome and Venice" Vivaldi, using the pseudonym "BelzeBob" started this thread - & I am under no illusions that he didn't - then we can see that this has been from the off a means of attacking any who expose the Vatican/Jesuit power structure. Even if this wasn't VV, this thread was still motivated by a desire to attack someone for working hard to let people know of Rome's supreme influence on the New World Order agenda.

This information is actually hundreds of years old, nay thousands, as a few minutes reading Revelation 17 reveals, no matter whether one is of secular outlook or not. The Cathars - who were wiped out by Vatican-loyal troops - of nearly a millenium ago knew it & the Protestant Reformers - who brought you freedoms of conscience, speech & the press - of nearly half a millenium ago knew it. They knew it not just from scripture but from personal, bloody, persecuted experience. Nothing has changed apart from Rome's tactics & strategy moving from overt to covert power largely thanks to Jesuit direction & cunning.

So this is not a thesis that is unique to this time or to Eric Phelps. He has articulated it better than any in recent times, but even as recently as a decade or so ago there have been others doing absolutely brilliant research that Eric acknowledges that he is standing on the shoulders of.

F. Tupper Saussy: "Rulers of Evil" (1999)

Avro Manhattan (a Knight of Malta whistleblower on Rome no less!): "The Vatican In World Politics" (1949); "The Vatican Billions" (1983); "The Vatican Holocaust" (1986); & a number of other titles.

See: http://www.cephas-library.com/catholic/cat...troduction.html

http://www.cephasministry.com/catholic_vat...billions_1.html

http://www.reformation.org/holocaus.html

Edmond Paris (a Roman Catholic): "The Secret History of the Jesuits"

See: http://arcticbeacon.com/books/Paris-The_Se...suits(1975).pdf (Copy & paste the date of the book and append to URL link, as the autolink here omits it when clicked)

Just to name a few.

Also, we have the testimony of Alberto Rivera, Gerard Bouffard, Malachi Martin, et al.

At the time of the Second World War, Rome's control of Hitler was known to some:

Edith Moore "No Friend of Democracy" (1941)

See: http://arcticbeacon.com/books/No_Friend_Of_Democracy.pdf

In earlier centuries we had a huge number of books exposing the Vatican/Jesuit agenda, such as Charles Chiniquy's "Fifty Years In The Church of Rome" (1886).

See: http://arcticbeacon.com/books/Chiniquy-Fif...-NOT-Bkmrkd.pdf

What is the difference between these authors & whistleblowers (now almost all dead) & Eric Phelps:

The internet & Eric's ability to use it more effectively has enabled Eric to spread this info far more effectively, via his ability to sell his book online (which is fortunate, as no retailers will stock it), his email list & his interviews & radio shows all being accessible online & often in archives (some going back four years at least), not to forget his website & videos of a couple of lectures.

Unlike some others he hasn't been inclined to use the video format for presenting his info, & perhaps this info hasn't got quite so effectively dispersed as it might otherwise. Nevertheless, this is without doubt causing concern for those who don't wish to make him a martyr & almost certainly have decided to try more devious & deceptive methods to undermine his credibility & thus that of those exposing Rome's manipulations & agenda.

So we have the confirmed elite disinformationalists like Alfred Webre trying to attack him. We have known Jesuit-coverers Alex Jones (with his Knights of Malta, Jesuit & CIA connections) & Texe Marrs trying to attack him. We have Ken "Coadjutor" Adachi (real name Peter Boudreau) trying to attack him. And now we have Ognir/Ringo/No-El of Disinfo Underground trying to attack him. I say "trying" as the truth will eventually triumph even over the Profane.

So this thread from its inception has never been purely about Eric, but about attacking those who bring these ancient yet extant & most relevant truths to the surface at this crucial point, this fulcrum of potential in time. And moreover to try to attack & attempt to undermine the credibility of this information.

Shifting entries to a different thread could be interpreted as damage limitation. I would suggest copying certain posts to another thread (if possible), but removing them from here strikes me as being political rather than merely pragmatic.

Back to Sal:

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I'd really like to know why people believe there is a lone gunman running the world.

Just remember that although JFK's assassination had several gunmen executing the plan, to suggest that there were multiple chains of command coincidentally orchestrating & coordinating this event is ludicrous. The Vatican Assassins do not get their own hands dirty, plain & simple. The gunmen that we consider the "assassins" of the world are - as we know - "gofers". The Israeli & Arab elites work hand-in-glove with Rome (Vatican/Jesuits/Catholic & Papal knighthood orders) & are members of Papal & Papal-loyal knighthood orders (Orders of St Gregory, St Sylvester, Francis I, Constantinian Order, etc) not vice versa. Rome's spiritual primogeniture rules over the whole sea of misanthropic malevolence.

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And off topic, most peeps whom believe the jesuits are instrumental, accept that the zionists have their unfair share of power. On the other hand, no one researching the zionist stranglehold will mention the connections between out and out war criminal activity, connected through vatican plaudits.

Actually this is entirely on topic, entirely true & accurate & a most observant point. I will however qualify these so-called "zionists" as Masonic & Papal-loyal Knighthood, philosophically Sabbatean, racially Jewish, Labor Zionists. Or Labor Zionists for short.

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Can someone please explain to me, why big old zionists just LOVE receiving awards from his unholiness the pope and that cow ER?

Exactly. This fact perfectly illustrates the power balance as did Bush bowing before the Pope & his father receiving the Order of Merit from the Pope's Knights of Malta, as did President Ronald Reagan.

Any man (or woman) that one bows before is one's Lord/King & Master (or Lady/Queen & Mistress).

Andre writes:

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The Catholic church now though is almost totally irrevelvant, and along with all other old time religion, is in the final stages of a systematic deconstruction. Say that "they are evil" does not prove that they run the world.

To say that the Catholic Church is now almost totally irrelevant" is on one had completely false & on the other hand ultimately missing the point (if we think of the Roman Catholic Church merely as "The Roman Catholic Church").

What am I saying here?

Well to consider the Roman Catholic Church's relevance we need only consider the RCC's demographics:

One-sixth of the world's population!

To say that it's irrelevant beggars belief. Consider too McCain & Obama being photographed surrounded by Jesuits & Bishops at the Catholic National Prayer Breakfast & at the Alfred E. Smith dinner sitting immediately to the right & left (respectively, not to mention literally & symbolically) of the Archbishop of New York, Edward Cardinal Egan (the "American Pope"), that Knight of Malta, Knight of Saints Maurice & Lazarus & Constantinian Knight!

I have no doubt that over coming decades, most likely following a Third World War, the destruction of Rome & the Pope ruling first from a rebuilt & Third Temple on Temple Mount (necessitating the destruction of the Al-Aqsa Mosque & the Dome of the Rock), then a move to his rebuilt Babylon (being constructed at this very moment), that the Church of Rome will become the New World Religion. As the old Roman Catholic Church is a synthetic, syncretic One World Religion uniting "under the stick" the Empire of most of the known world, as a totalitarian crypto-pagan pseudo-church of Christ, that would deny him time & time again as Peter did yet falsely fight in his name, so too will a new totalitarian crypto-pagan church "unifying" - via annihilation of those who expose her true agenda - will come forth like a Phoenix rising out of the ashes. Babylon triumphant - if only for a moment before its own final destruction.

To fully comprehend how Rome is the Babylonian Mystery Religion continued & the nature of her multi millenia-old agenda, please consult the following title:

Alexander Hislop "The Two Babylons" (1858)

See: http://arcticbeacon.com/books/Alexander_Hi...ns-1853-MER.pdf

This superb work of scholarship has been scorned & derided by Jesuitical critics & Romanist apologists including Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor Ralph Woodrow in a dramatic volte-face that smacks of a long term counterintelligence strategy.

Please also note that no one is trying to prove that the Jesuit-led Vatican geo-political/financial/intelligence system runs the world, merely by saying that is evil. This of course is a fallacious nonsense when considering the vast wealth of historical information written on the subject.

In truth & awareness -

TS

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