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"Notice that Satan can nearly always find access and take control over mankind by means of the senses, especially through sexuality.'
No disrespect; but it appears plenty of Bible Thumpers who appear to not comprehend that Satan happens to be nothing less than their Goddamn fucking Self Righteous Moralistic High Horse Ego's; and their Ego's goddamn fucking obsession with being goddamn fucking 'RIGHT' about interpretting 'GODS' word!
I am so fucking tired of Christian goddamn fucking hypocrisy, and passive aggressive goddamn fucking morally righteous Christian (insert whatever goddamn fucking religion, that doesn't use four letter words, just acts in four letter behaviour: ie. without a fucking shred of honour) fascism; I could fucking puke.
I'd much rather sit down and have an honest conversation, and share bread with a goddamn fucking honest Satanist, or FreeMason, or Fucking Jesuit, or Atheist, than some fucking two-faced hypocrit morally selfrighteous Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, or fucking 'New Age' freak.
These fucking moron imbeciles appear to fucking conveniently forget that Jesus pet hates, were not people of the flesh, like Mary Magdalene, but the persons whom he got particularly angry with; where the two faced moralistic pharisee HYPOCRITES..
I sure can see his goddamn fucking point of view.
Don't mean to offend, but thats my honest point of view, right now.
You seem to present points I don't agree with. Satan is real. Satan isn't all powerful, but the Scriptures outline his reality. Your profanity is totally unnecessary in trying to get your points across. Also, many Christians are not hypocrites. Many Christians are real. There is nothing wrong with being a Bible Thumper. I rather be a Bible Thumper than an atheist. I rather know the truth and expose Freemasonry, etc. than align with deception. I don't align with false religion or deceptive groups at all. Also, legitimately express a faith in a peaceful manner has nothing to do with fascism. You know what real fascism is. Real fascism is when Christians are getting murdered in India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc. Real fascism is when Christians are being arrested in Europe and Canada for just expressing their religious faith publicly. Real fascism is denying religious liberty. That's real fascism in a definitive way.
Also, you didn't refute Ellen White utilizing Masonic words. In fact, that links validates how White utilized Masonic terminology. This is my honest point of view.
I appreciate you for your response, although it appears we may disagree on certain issues:
You seem to present points I don't agree with.
Perhaps; if so, I can agree to disagree.
Satan is real.
I get that Satan is 'real', as in some seperate spirit or being 'outside' of 'Christians'; and that their 'belief' in 'Satan' is 'real', for them.
Since I've never met 'Satan'; I cannot vouch for him existing, as a spirit being or otherwise. Don't know why he ain't bothered with making himself known to me; perhaps he prefers to live in the imaginations of Christians, or perhaps I am not important enough, or whatever. Anyway, I ain't come across Satan -- for real -- that I can say I believe without a shred of doubt he exists.
I tolerate Christians etc. belief that he does, and am willing to discuss the concept of Satan; but discussing a concept, does not necessarily mean the concept exists in reality, or that it doesn't. But until it does without a shadow of a doubt, I'd be lying to say it does.
Satan isn't all powerful, but the Scriptures outline his reality.
I'm sorry, I haven't found anything in the Scriptures, that prove to me Satan's reality. Yes, I have proof that millions believe -- what I consider highly dubious two faced hypocrit sanctimounious -- Pastors and priests beliefs and interpretations of particular Scriptures, that Satan exists.
Your profanity is totally unnecessary in trying to get your points across.
For you maybe, not for me.
Also, many Christians are not hypocrites.
Yes, those who arn't, often don't have to go around preaching about how they are 'Christians', cause their actions speak louder than their words.
Many Christians are real.
Indeed I agree, and very few of those I imagine you ever hear a word about.
There is nothing wrong with being a Bible Thumper. I rather be a Bible Thumper than an atheist.
I wouldn't say there is anything 'wrong' about being a Bible Thumper; I am not 'God' to judge what is 'right' and what is 'wrong'; I give my opinion in any particular context, but it is only my flawed opinion, nothing more. If anyone wants to be a Bible Thumper -- fine; I choose not to listen to them, particularly when what they want to do is lecture me, as opposed to participate in a conversation. They can take their Bible Thump lectures and go lecture someone else, whose looking to be preached at, instead of explore and discuss an issue.
I rather know the truth and expose Freemasonry, etc. than align with deception.
Depends what you call 'truth'; often we can be decieving ourselves about what we consider or more particularly WANT the TRUTH to be, rather than to wake up and have the courage to acknowledge REALITY. Those who are unable to face an issue from a point of reality; how likely are they capable of judging 'truth'?
And if they have the slightest awareness of their hypocrisy; are they aligning with deception?
I don't align with false religion or deceptive groups at all.
I am not saying in the least that you do; and of course it depends on what you define as 'false relgion' and what your willingness is to be totally impartial from a point of reality about your observation and enquiry into 'true' and 'false' religion' and how much your mind and ego are obsessed with being 'right' about your particular 'right' or 'wrong' 'religious' 'ideology'.
Also, legitimately express a faith in a peaceful manner has nothing to do with fascism.
Agreed, and you are being rather vague, under certain circumstances, it is perhaps plausible to be quite fascistic, when we are being passive aggressive manipulators. So I would imagine it would depend on the circumstances.
You know what real fascism is.
Yes, I know what it is, cause I am quite capable of it myself, without any fucking help from anyone named 'the devil' or 'satan'. All I need to be a real fascist, is to put my ego mind in charge, and give it free fucking reign to decide that anything it doesn't like is 'wrong' and anything that threatens its fucking 'fascistic authority' requires being silenced or ignored, etc.
It is one of the reasons, I chose to overthrow the goddamn fucking fascist in my mind -- my ego; and demand it live in a Republic, not think it was a fucking God, and anything it didn't like was the work of 'Satan'.
Real fascism is when Christians are getting murdered in India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc. Real fascism is when Christians are being arrested in Europe and Canada for just expressing their religious faith publicly.
Depends on the circumstances, it's very easy to make judgements like that under a lable of 'real fascism'. Passive Aggressive 'Christians' who demand that everyone live under their goddamn fucking moralistic laws, are excellent examples of 'real fascists'.
Real fascism is denying religious liberty. That's real fascism in a definitive way.
I would agree with your aforementioned statement; and I would add, that it would need to include religions you do not like, or do not agree with; or even those considered to be 'Satans' religions.
Furthermore, all of these religions would be advised to consider the reality of REALITY; and that in an environment where they all practice SLAVE AND CANNON FODDER BREEDING AND ATTEMPTS TO PROVE HOW EACH ONE OF THEM IS FUCKING THE ONE AND ONLY OR 'RIGHT' RELIGION, THEY ARE GOING TO EXPERIENCE PASSIVE AND AGGRESSIVE FASCISM FROM THE OTHERS. SO PERHAPS HTEY MAY WISH TO WAKE UP AND ADDDRESS THE ROOT CAUSES OF THEIR -- WHAT I CONSIDER FAKE RELIGIOSITY, MASKING NOTHING BUT THEIR ATTACHMENT TO BEING RIGHT'.
Also, you didn't refute Ellen White utilizing Masonic words.
I agree I did not refute Ellen White utilizing Masonic words; I couldn't care less whether she uses Masonic, Martian or whatever words.
In fact, that links validates how White utilized Masonic terminology.
Are you implying the link is Masonic? I wouldn't know, maybe, maybe not. I would not dispute that she uses 'Masonic terminology'; you appear more versed in the issues than I do.
This is my honest point of view.
I appreciate you for sharing with me your honest point of view. I imagine there are some areas where I may -- or perhaps definitely -- unintentionally misinterpreted your meaning, or intentions; and I invite you to clarify them, where you wish or consider me to be misinterpreting your perspective. I would prefer to hear your perspective exactly as you mean it, rather than how I am perhaps incorrectly interpreting it, since then we are clearly not talking about the same thing, and I am not clearly hearing what you are saying.
Just because you never encountered something personally, doesn't mean that something you never encountered is fiction. For example, you never been into Pluto, yet Pluto still exists. The Bible and other testimony of people refer to Satan's existence. This article was about Ellen White using Masonic terminology. It's an interesting one at all.
YOu seem to embrace moral relativism, which I don't embrace. There is a truth, there is good, and there is evil. The reason is that in life, there are certain moral absolutes that are necessary in stabilizing our lives.
I'm not being vague in my words at all. I'm outlining them to you. Fascism is always wrong in every circumstance, because fascism is about the centralized control over people that is a violation of individual liberty. Making judgments in exposing evil (from murder, terror, rape, etc.) is rather great for me.
I never said that the link was Masonic. I said that the link proves that Ellen White uses Masonic terminology. You know what I mean. Not to mention that there is nothing wrong with accepting moral absolutes or believing that you are right on a certain point at all.
The Scriptures talk about Satan being real, so you are badly mistaken on that issue. Real religious people have lived in reality for centuries. Also, you offering no proof to refute the article on Ellen White is ironic. It's ironic since you want proof and the link has plenty of proof in exposing Ellen White's agenda.
Just because you never encountered something personally, doesn't mean that something you never encountered is fiction.
I entirely agree.
For example, you never been into Pluto, yet Pluto still exists.
Yes, I entirely agree; however slight difference between Pluto and 'Satan' being that Pluto is allegedly a Planet (is it the planet of gasses, or are they solids? can't remember, but for arguments sake let's say solids), like the moon or earth. A semi solid structure. (I agree we could go into metaphysics and atoms, that all solids are atoms, etc.. and we can go there if you want to, but I won't now).
The difference with Satan being a 'spirit', 'ghost' or similar; further complicated by very many different definitions and interpretations for Satan; which creates the plausible possibility that it could be 'real', or could simply be a 'manmade concept' (not in the sense that all conceptual definitions are manmade, which they are, but in the context that it is an abstract manmade concept, and due to it being an abstract concept -- like all abstract concepts -- is prone to inumerable number of interpretations).
For example: The concept of money is 'real' in people's minds, because it is somewhat of a shared hallucination or illusion or concept or reality; depending on how much you buy into the 'reality' of MONEY.
Imagine you could go to another planet, where everyone on that planet had never considered the concept of 'Satan'; their collective consciousness would determine their reality that 'Satan' does not exist, because that is their 'cultural story'.
Their cultural story being the foundation or subconscious map of memes that give them a frame of orientation and an object of devotion: a kind of sense of meaning, as to why they do what they do, how they do it, when they do it, etc.
The Bible and other testimony of people refer to Satan's existence.
I totally agree that the Bible or other testimony from people refer to Satan's existence.
And it is my personal opinion, that the concept of Satan -- for myself, within my own journey of living as best I can a life of self examination, of my thoughts, actions, etc. -- is not useful; and more so when used contributes to what is considered the psychological frame of mind and being known as alienation.
Satan is an extremely useful 'conceptual reality or being' to use, to assign blame outside of personal decision making, awareness and taking personal responsibility.
Even as subtle as 'listening to Satan's whisper', it is still a conscious decision to externalise a thought or idea, as not coming from yourself; but from some 'evil personification outside of you', which of course, not being of your own creation, or from your own personal psychological, emotional or other baggage, if Satan is 'seperate' from you, and cannot be forgiven, and is incomprehensibly evil, and can never change; then it is incredibly convenient to avoid the 'whisper' from your own subsconscious (you, your genetic memory, etc..) and to deal therewith, and do what needs to be done to find healing therefore.
Just my personal opinion.
This article was about Ellen White using Masonic terminology. It's an interesting one at all.
Yes, I agree. I will read it again; and not that I didn't find it interesting; just all those bible quotes, bore me; but I was a little in a hurry (own decision to be in a hurry; and I will make an effort to read it again, perhaps I missed something. Thanks)
YOu seem to embrace moral relativism, which I don't embrace.
I'd rather embrace you, and ditch moral relativism, if I could drag you off to a little logcabin in the woods, away from the world... What are my chances? ;-)
There is a truth, there is good, and there is evil. The reason is that in life, there are certain moral absolutes that are necessary in stabilizing our lives.
Perhaps, so, I ain't come to that conclusion, with such clarity yet. And perhaps I am misinterpreting you. What would you describe as a moral absolute?
I'm not being vague in my words at all. I'm outlining them to you.
You may not think you are being vague, but I am not interpreting your words, as crystal clear as in "GOT IT, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TIM IS SAYING, AND WHAT HE MEANS" Sorry, but rather you know I ain't 'getting it' than me pretending to 'get it' and lying to you.
Fascism is always wrong in every circumstance, because fascism is about the centralized control over people that is a violation of individual liberty.
You and I could probably agree about examples that come before us, according to that definition, and let me say, bring one lawyer into the mix, and he will come up with ten different theories why we ain't got a clue, and how he is RIGHT!!
Making judgments in exposing evil (from murder, terror, rape, etc.) is rather great for me.
What do you mean?
I never said that the link was Masonic. I said that the link proves that Ellen White uses Masonic terminology.
Okay.
You know what I mean.
Not sure I do, particularly not this late at night, being a bit fuddled in my thinking.
Not to mention that there is nothing wrong with accepting moral absolutes or believing that you are right on a certain point at all.
Well, if that works for you, then that's okay by me. There are a few things that I 'believe'; I'm not sure I would go as far as saying that I was 'right' about them. 'Right' in comparison to 'what' exactly?
So, yes, I agree we can both agree a table is a table, and we would be right; and I imagine that's not what we are discussing here.
The Scriptures talk about Satan being real, so you are badly mistaken on that issue.
Again, I agree the scriptures do. And you may be correct I may be mistaken, and Satan may in fact exist; beyond just what I'd call a manmade alienating concept of consciousness; and if so, I would indeed be mistaken.
Real religious people have lived in reality for centuries.
Such as which real religious people, in particular; and what and how would we define 'reality'?
Also, you offering no proof to refute the article on Ellen White is ironic. It's ironic since you want proof and the link has plenty of proof in exposing Ellen White's agenda.
I don't even know who Ellen White is, never heard of her; not sure why you making such a big issue out of it; so perhaps a hint I should brush up on Ellen White. I shall do so my luv.
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"Notice that Satan can nearly always find access and take control over mankind by means of the senses, especially through sexuality.'
No disrespect; but it appears plenty of Bible Thumpers who appear to not comprehend that Satan happens to be nothing less than their Goddamn fucking Self Righteous Moralistic High Horse Ego's; and their Ego's goddamn fucking obsession with being goddamn fucking 'RIGHT' about interpretting 'GODS' word!
I am so fucking tired of Christian goddamn fucking hypocrisy, and passive aggressive goddamn fucking morally righteous Christian (insert whatever goddamn fucking religion, that doesn't use four letter words, just acts in four letter behaviour: ie. without a fucking shred of honour) fascism; I could fucking puke.
I'd much rather sit down and have an honest conversation, and share bread with a goddamn fucking honest Satanist, or FreeMason, or Fucking Jesuit, or Atheist, than some fucking two-faced hypocrit morally selfrighteous Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, or fucking 'New Age' freak.
These fucking moron imbeciles appear to fucking conveniently forget that Jesus pet hates, were not people of the flesh, like Mary Magdalene, but the persons whom he got particularly angry with; where the two faced moralistic pharisee HYPOCRITES..
I sure can see his goddamn fucking point of view.
Don't mean to offend, but thats my honest point of view, right now.
Lara
Here's my response to you:
You seem to present points I don't agree with. Satan is real. Satan isn't all powerful, but the Scriptures outline his reality. Your profanity is totally unnecessary in trying to get your points across. Also, many Christians are not hypocrites. Many Christians are real. There is nothing wrong with being a Bible Thumper. I rather be a Bible Thumper than an atheist. I rather know the truth and expose Freemasonry, etc. than align with deception. I don't align with false religion or deceptive groups at all. Also, legitimately express a faith in a peaceful manner has nothing to do with fascism. You know what real fascism is. Real fascism is when Christians are getting murdered in India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc. Real fascism is when Christians are being arrested in Europe and Canada for just expressing their religious faith publicly. Real fascism is denying religious liberty. That's real fascism in a definitive way.
Also, you didn't refute Ellen White utilizing Masonic words. In fact, that links validates how White utilized Masonic terminology. This is my honest point of view.
By Timothy
Both of us do have a right to disagree on certain matters, so this isn't unusual at all.
Tim,
I appreciate you for your response, although it appears we may disagree on certain issues:
You seem to present points I don't agree with.
Perhaps; if so, I can agree to disagree.
Satan is real.
I get that Satan is 'real', as in some seperate spirit or being 'outside' of 'Christians'; and that their 'belief' in 'Satan' is 'real', for them.
Since I've never met 'Satan'; I cannot vouch for him existing, as a spirit being or otherwise. Don't know why he ain't bothered with making himself known to me; perhaps he prefers to live in the imaginations of Christians, or perhaps I am not important enough, or whatever. Anyway, I ain't come across Satan -- for real -- that I can say I believe without a shred of doubt he exists.
I tolerate Christians etc. belief that he does, and am willing to discuss the concept of Satan; but discussing a concept, does not necessarily mean the concept exists in reality, or that it doesn't. But until it does without a shadow of a doubt, I'd be lying to say it does.
Satan isn't all powerful, but the Scriptures outline his reality.
I'm sorry, I haven't found anything in the Scriptures, that prove to me Satan's reality. Yes, I have proof that millions believe -- what I consider highly dubious two faced hypocrit sanctimounious -- Pastors and priests beliefs and interpretations of particular Scriptures, that Satan exists.
Your profanity is totally unnecessary in trying to get your points across.
For you maybe, not for me.
Also, many Christians are not hypocrites.
Yes, those who arn't, often don't have to go around preaching about how they are 'Christians', cause their actions speak louder than their words.
Many Christians are real.
Indeed I agree, and very few of those I imagine you ever hear a word about.
There is nothing wrong with being a Bible Thumper. I rather be a Bible Thumper than an atheist.
I wouldn't say there is anything 'wrong' about being a Bible Thumper; I am not 'God' to judge what is 'right' and what is 'wrong'; I give my opinion in any particular context, but it is only my flawed opinion, nothing more. If anyone wants to be a Bible Thumper -- fine; I choose not to listen to them, particularly when what they want to do is lecture me, as opposed to participate in a conversation. They can take their Bible Thump lectures and go lecture someone else, whose looking to be preached at, instead of explore and discuss an issue.
I rather know the truth and expose Freemasonry, etc. than align with deception.
Depends what you call 'truth'; often we can be decieving ourselves about what we consider or more particularly WANT the TRUTH to be, rather than to wake up and have the courage to acknowledge REALITY. Those who are unable to face an issue from a point of reality; how likely are they capable of judging 'truth'?
And if they have the slightest awareness of their hypocrisy; are they aligning with deception?
I don't align with false religion or deceptive groups at all.
I am not saying in the least that you do; and of course it depends on what you define as 'false relgion' and what your willingness is to be totally impartial from a point of reality about your observation and enquiry into 'true' and 'false' religion' and how much your mind and ego are obsessed with being 'right' about your particular 'right' or 'wrong' 'religious' 'ideology'.
Also, legitimately express a faith in a peaceful manner has nothing to do with fascism.
Agreed, and you are being rather vague, under certain circumstances, it is perhaps plausible to be quite fascistic, when we are being passive aggressive manipulators. So I would imagine it would depend on the circumstances.
You know what real fascism is.
Yes, I know what it is, cause I am quite capable of it myself, without any fucking help from anyone named 'the devil' or 'satan'. All I need to be a real fascist, is to put my ego mind in charge, and give it free fucking reign to decide that anything it doesn't like is 'wrong' and anything that threatens its fucking 'fascistic authority' requires being silenced or ignored, etc.
It is one of the reasons, I chose to overthrow the goddamn fucking fascist in my mind -- my ego; and demand it live in a Republic, not think it was a fucking God, and anything it didn't like was the work of 'Satan'.
Real fascism is when Christians are getting murdered in India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc. Real fascism is when Christians are being arrested in Europe and Canada for just expressing their religious faith publicly.
Depends on the circumstances, it's very easy to make judgements like that under a lable of 'real fascism'. Passive Aggressive 'Christians' who demand that everyone live under their goddamn fucking moralistic laws, are excellent examples of 'real fascists'.
Real fascism is denying religious liberty. That's real fascism in a definitive way.
I would agree with your aforementioned statement; and I would add, that it would need to include religions you do not like, or do not agree with; or even those considered to be 'Satans' religions.
Furthermore, all of these religions would be advised to consider the reality of REALITY; and that in an environment where they all practice SLAVE AND CANNON FODDER BREEDING AND ATTEMPTS TO PROVE HOW EACH ONE OF THEM IS FUCKING THE ONE AND ONLY OR 'RIGHT' RELIGION, THEY ARE GOING TO EXPERIENCE PASSIVE AND AGGRESSIVE FASCISM FROM THE OTHERS. SO PERHAPS HTEY MAY WISH TO WAKE UP AND ADDDRESS THE ROOT CAUSES OF THEIR -- WHAT I CONSIDER FAKE RELIGIOSITY, MASKING NOTHING BUT THEIR ATTACHMENT TO BEING RIGHT'.
Also, you didn't refute Ellen White utilizing Masonic words.
I agree I did not refute Ellen White utilizing Masonic words; I couldn't care less whether she uses Masonic, Martian or whatever words.
In fact, that links validates how White utilized Masonic terminology.
Are you implying the link is Masonic? I wouldn't know, maybe, maybe not. I would not dispute that she uses 'Masonic terminology'; you appear more versed in the issues than I do.
This is my honest point of view.
I appreciate you for sharing with me your honest point of view. I imagine there are some areas where I may -- or perhaps definitely -- unintentionally misinterpreted your meaning, or intentions; and I invite you to clarify them, where you wish or consider me to be misinterpreting your perspective. I would prefer to hear your perspective exactly as you mean it, rather than how I am perhaps incorrectly interpreting it, since then we are clearly not talking about the same thing, and I am not clearly hearing what you are saying.
Love Lara
Here's my new response:
Just because you never encountered something personally, doesn't mean that something you never encountered is fiction. For example, you never been into Pluto, yet Pluto still exists. The Bible and other testimony of people refer to Satan's existence. This article was about Ellen White using Masonic terminology. It's an interesting one at all.
YOu seem to embrace moral relativism, which I don't embrace. There is a truth, there is good, and there is evil. The reason is that in life, there are certain moral absolutes that are necessary in stabilizing our lives.
I'm not being vague in my words at all. I'm outlining them to you. Fascism is always wrong in every circumstance, because fascism is about the centralized control over people that is a violation of individual liberty. Making judgments in exposing evil (from murder, terror, rape, etc.) is rather great for me.
I never said that the link was Masonic. I said that the link proves that Ellen White uses Masonic terminology. You know what I mean. Not to mention that there is nothing wrong with accepting moral absolutes or believing that you are right on a certain point at all.
By Timothy
The Scriptures talk about Satan being real, so you are badly mistaken on that issue. Real religious people have lived in reality for centuries. Also, you offering no proof to refute the article on Ellen White is ironic. It's ironic since you want proof and the link has plenty of proof in exposing Ellen White's agenda.
Tim,
Thank you for your new response! ;-)
Just because you never encountered something personally, doesn't mean that something you never encountered is fiction.
I entirely agree.
For example, you never been into Pluto, yet Pluto still exists.
Yes, I entirely agree; however slight difference between Pluto and 'Satan' being that Pluto is allegedly a Planet (is it the planet of gasses, or are they solids? can't remember, but for arguments sake let's say solids), like the moon or earth. A semi solid structure. (I agree we could go into metaphysics and atoms, that all solids are atoms, etc.. and we can go there if you want to, but I won't now).
The difference with Satan being a 'spirit', 'ghost' or similar; further complicated by very many different definitions and interpretations for Satan; which creates the plausible possibility that it could be 'real', or could simply be a 'manmade concept' (not in the sense that all conceptual definitions are manmade, which they are, but in the context that it is an abstract manmade concept, and due to it being an abstract concept -- like all abstract concepts -- is prone to inumerable number of interpretations).
For example: The concept of money is 'real' in people's minds, because it is somewhat of a shared hallucination or illusion or concept or reality; depending on how much you buy into the 'reality' of MONEY.
Imagine you could go to another planet, where everyone on that planet had never considered the concept of 'Satan'; their collective consciousness would determine their reality that 'Satan' does not exist, because that is their 'cultural story'.
Their cultural story being the foundation or subconscious map of memes that give them a frame of orientation and an object of devotion: a kind of sense of meaning, as to why they do what they do, how they do it, when they do it, etc.
The Bible and other testimony of people refer to Satan's existence.
I totally agree that the Bible or other testimony from people refer to Satan's existence.
And it is my personal opinion, that the concept of Satan -- for myself, within my own journey of living as best I can a life of self examination, of my thoughts, actions, etc. -- is not useful; and more so when used contributes to what is considered the psychological frame of mind and being known as alienation.
Satan is an extremely useful 'conceptual reality or being' to use, to assign blame outside of personal decision making, awareness and taking personal responsibility.
Even as subtle as 'listening to Satan's whisper', it is still a conscious decision to externalise a thought or idea, as not coming from yourself; but from some 'evil personification outside of you', which of course, not being of your own creation, or from your own personal psychological, emotional or other baggage, if Satan is 'seperate' from you, and cannot be forgiven, and is incomprehensibly evil, and can never change; then it is incredibly convenient to avoid the 'whisper' from your own subsconscious (you, your genetic memory, etc..) and to deal therewith, and do what needs to be done to find healing therefore.
Just my personal opinion.
This article was about Ellen White using Masonic terminology. It's an interesting one at all.
Yes, I agree. I will read it again; and not that I didn't find it interesting; just all those bible quotes, bore me; but I was a little in a hurry (own decision to be in a hurry; and I will make an effort to read it again, perhaps I missed something. Thanks)
YOu seem to embrace moral relativism, which I don't embrace.
I'd rather embrace you, and ditch moral relativism, if I could drag you off to a little logcabin in the woods, away from the world... What are my chances? ;-)
There is a truth, there is good, and there is evil. The reason is that in life, there are certain moral absolutes that are necessary in stabilizing our lives.
Perhaps, so, I ain't come to that conclusion, with such clarity yet. And perhaps I am misinterpreting you. What would you describe as a moral absolute?
I'm not being vague in my words at all. I'm outlining them to you.
You may not think you are being vague, but I am not interpreting your words, as crystal clear as in "GOT IT, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TIM IS SAYING, AND WHAT HE MEANS"
Sorry, but rather you know I ain't 'getting it' than me pretending to 'get it' and lying to you.
Fascism is always wrong in every circumstance, because fascism is about the centralized control over people that is a violation of individual liberty.
You and I could probably agree about examples that come before us, according to that definition, and let me say, bring one lawyer into the mix, and he will come up with ten different theories why we ain't got a clue, and how he is RIGHT!!
Making judgments in exposing evil (from murder, terror, rape, etc.) is rather great for me.
What do you mean?
I never said that the link was Masonic. I said that the link proves that Ellen White uses Masonic terminology.
Okay.
You know what I mean.
Not sure I do, particularly not this late at night, being a bit fuddled in my thinking.
Not to mention that there is nothing wrong with accepting moral absolutes or believing that you are right on a certain point at all.
Well, if that works for you, then that's okay by me. There are a few things that I 'believe'; I'm not sure I would go as far as saying that I was 'right' about them. 'Right' in comparison to 'what' exactly?
So, yes, I agree we can both agree a table is a table, and we would be
right; and I imagine that's not what we are discussing here.
The Scriptures talk about Satan being real, so you are badly mistaken on that issue.
Again, I agree the scriptures do.
And you may be correct I may be mistaken, and Satan may in fact exist; beyond just what I'd call a manmade alienating concept of consciousness; and if so, I would indeed be mistaken.
Real religious people have lived in reality for centuries.
Such as which real religious people, in particular; and what and how would we define 'reality'?
Also, you offering no proof to refute the article on Ellen White is ironic. It's ironic since you want proof and the link has plenty of proof in exposing Ellen White's agenda.
I don't even know who Ellen White is, never heard of her; not sure why you making such a big issue out of it; so perhaps a hint I should brush up on Ellen White. I shall do so my luv.
Miss you and good night. Till tomorrow.
J Filly
You have not cited a single word to refute that link.
By Timothy
A single word to refute what link? the scribd link? or the Man O War/J Filly link?
I mean precisely the scribd link since the link basically documents the Masonic words that Ellen White utilize. It's as simple as that.
By Timothy
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