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XXXXX: MEMPHIS-MISRAIM, MARTINISTS, SUPERIEUR INCONNU, JESUITS ANALYSIS & QUESTIONS
VERY interesting info, XXXX! I am sure there are significant errors in data in parts of both WikiP & Enc Brit. Enc Brit is a closed shop though & has possibly more inaccuracies than WikiP - as one study concluded.
You also write below:
Well most of the Rite of Memphis Mizraim was written by Kircher and was later edited by Cagliostro. You have to be member to know this. You should probably re-interview Leo about it. YOU ARE CORRECT about Champillon not being the first to decode the hierogyphs. ... On the level of knowledge, The VATICAN has always understood hierogyphs, and you are taught to decipher them in the Rite of Memphis. The present elite are the decendents of the Phoaroahs, of course they kept this tradition active for the last 2200 years.
In my analysis of the interwoven Illuminati orders below I write:
"I surmise that the Superieur Inconnu ("Unknown Superior") level of Martinists (in the small number of different Martinist orders) are Jesuits & if so, then almost certainly fourth degree Jesuits. The S.I. Martinists would then oversee the Rosicrucians of both AMORC & the Societas Rosicruciana. How the Memphis-Misraim Grand Hierophants fit into this picture I have yet to establish, but they are definitely above the Rosicrucians & I speculate that the SI Martinists may be "Grand Tribunal" level (91-99°) Memphis-Misraim. That Martinist founder of AMORC was a Grand Tribunal level Memphis-Misraim Mason at 95° & would have to have been an SI level Martinist & thus - IMO - a Jesuit."
If you have the time, please read my selected quotes & commentary/deductions below & add any insight that you can.
Leo referred to two main lineages of Memphis-Misraim. Is Leo the Grand Hierophant of one of them, or even his friend Jean-Pierre Giudicelli? Leo was signing his emails at one stage as 100°, that much I know, although the 99th degree is that of the Grand Hierophant:
http://www.stichtingargus.nl/vrijmetselarij/memphis_en.html
"Nowadays this rite has a couple of thousand members, mostly in Europe. There are lodges in France, Belgium (140 members), Switzerland, United Kingdom, Italy, Canada, United States, Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, Haiti, Australia and several African countries, including Madagascar.
The order has 99 degrees and is therefore the largest masonic order in number of degrees. Not all degrees are worked in."
"Grand Tribunal
91º. Grand Defender
92º. Grand Catechist
93º. Regulator General
94º. Prince of Memphis, or Grand Administrator
95º.Grand Conservator
96º. Grand and Puissant Sovereign of the Order
97º. Deputy International Grand Master
98º. International Grand Master
99º. Grand Hierophant"
Also XXXX: I note that H. Spence Lewis, the original Imperator of AMORC was a XII° Rosicrucian, but only a 95° Memphis & Misraim. He was also a Martinist, as was his son, Ralph M Lewis.
http://www.themystica.org/mystica/articles...i_orientis.html
"Ordo Templi Orientis, Latin Order of Oriental Templars, is currently one of the largest magical orders in the world. It emerged from central European Masonry at the end of the nineteenth century when Freemasons Carl Kellner (1851-1905), a wealthy Austrian industrialist, and Theodor Reuss (1855-1923), a journalist and former opera singer, started discussing plans for the development of a "Masonic Academy" for esoteric studies. ... both men were involved in the Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor, an English magical order which taught sex magic based on the teaching of the American occultist P. B. Randolph. ... In 1902 Kellner and Reuss met with John Yarker, a marketer of Masonry degrees, and bought a charter to establish a lodge of the Rite of Memphis Misraim, a variant of Masonry that offered no less than 99 degrees to its initiates. A year later a new order of the OTO was published. This new project showed little progress till a year after Kellner's death in 1905. The OTO was officially founded in 1906, and had small membership during the following six years in which Reuss worked on its ritual and structure. ... The year 1912 also marked another major event in the OTO, the meeting of Reuss and Aleister Crowley whom Reuss elevated to the position of Rex Supremus for Britain and Ireland. Crowley immediately started building the British branch of the order under the name of Mysteria Mystica Maxima (MMM). ... Reuss soon regretted placing Crowley in such a high position of the order. By 1915 Reuss had contacted H. Spencer Lewis, an American occultist and future founder of the Ancient Mystical Order of the Red Crucis (AMORC). Subsequently Reuss provided Lewis with an OTO charter, and made a series of moves to counter Crowley's influence. It was in 1921 that Reuss elevated Lewis through the honorary degrees of the Scottish Rite, the Rite of Memphis, the Rite of Misraim, and the OTO respectively in order to side-step Crowley and Charles Stansfield Jones' claim of exclusive jurisdiction over the British and North America branches of the OTO. About this time Reuss and Crowley had a complete falling out, and Crowley appointed himself Outer Head of the order. For his part, Lewis distanced himself from Reuss, not wanting to be involved in the internal political struggle of the OTO, as he began developing his own organization."
Now, I know that in England at least, one must be a UGLE Master Mason to be asked to join the Societas Rosicruciana, & one must be both a Master Mason & a member of the Societas Rosicruciana in order to join the Hermetic Order of Martinists (HOM):
http://www.glhom.org.uk/content.php?id=1
"The Hermetic Order of Martinists (HOM) is a Martinist Order that is only open to Master Masons of a Lodge under the authority of the United Grand Lodge of England, or of a Grand Lodge recognised by them, who are members of at least the First Grade (Zelator) of the Societas Rosicruciana In Anglia (SRIA). Thus, by definition, aspirants must be followers of the Trinitarian Christian Faith." (So too claim the Ancient & Accepted (Scottish) Rite of England & Wales).
See also: http://internet.lodge.org.uk/public/degrees.php
for UGLE-affiliated orders.
We also know that Jules Boucher, Grand Secretary of the OTM/OMT/TMO (Traditional Martinist Order) wrote in the article "Du Martinisme et des ordres Martinistes" (published in 1950 in the review "Le Symbolisme"): "S.I. stands for "Superieur Inconnu", "Souverain Juge" (title of the Elus Cohen), Société des Initiés", "Sociéte Inconnu", "Sage Inconnu", and some even claimed these initials stood for the "Sociéte de Jésus" !"
So: I surmise that the Superieur Inconnu ("Unknown Superior") level of Martinists (in the small number of different Martinist orders) are Jesuits & if so, then almost certainly fourth degree Jesuits. The S.I. Martinists would then oversee the Rosicrucians of both AMORC & the Societas Rosicruciana. How the Memphis-Misraim Grand Hierophants fit into this picture I have yet to establish, but they are definitely above the Rosicrucians & I speculate that the SI Martinists may be "Grand Tribunal" level (91-99°) Memphis-Misraim. That Martinist founder of AMORC was a Grand Tribunal level Memphis-Misraim Mason at 95° & would have to have been an SI level Martinist & thus - IMO - a Jesuit.
Godspeed -
TS
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