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Saturday, September 24, 2011

The Early Church

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38 comments:

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Tim:

Vatican and SJ PR Edward Bernaysian Pied Piper Matrix Reality BS?

What state of mind were the early prophets in? What did they know about science, about nueroscience; about how their minds worked, about where ideas came from?

You know everyone has a right to believe whatever they want to believe, but if they don't take into consideration organized religion (and include theirein state political religions) BS lies, and reality distortion to attempt to passively aggressively manipulate your ideas to believe whatever some masculine insecure dickhead with a massive chip on his/her shoulder wants you to believe so they can hang onto their socio-political-religio-economic or whatever status; then of course they are welcome to be led around by thier lying two faced leaders Pied Pipers.

Early Church? What early church? What is a church? Is a church a bunch of idiots who think they believe the same dogma, but lack the balls to hold an honest discussion about whose interpretation is correct or not; or what interpretation is; and how it is done, or may be done? Is a church just a bunch of insecure pricks who want to bullshit themselves they got some friends who think like htey do? What or who, is a church? Why do people go to a church? Who invented the concept of churches and how and why? When does anyone discuss any of those issues?

Anyway.. its written in a bunch of passive aggressive intellectual bullshit language which gives the impression the asshole who wrote it, can't string a fucking clear and simple sentence together and is probably bullshitting themselves. So what is the point of listening to a prick who lacks the honesty to be honest with himself?

Closest thing I ever got to that I would interpret as a 'church' in the sense of meaningful conversation from honest friends about the purpose and practice of life; were my radical honesty practice group sesssions.

Timothy said...

I disagree with you completely on that issues.

Timothy said...

I might respond in length soon.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Timothy:

I appreciate you for saying that you disagree with me completely on these issues; and that you may respond in length soon.

I shall await your response to hear your point of view, and I am happy to change my mind if or where I find that I misinterpreted or misunderstood whatever your actual point is. Till then.

Hope you are well. Nice to hear from you again.

Timothy said...

The state of mind of the prophets was in the mindset of living in ancient Middle Eastern history plus culture. They were like everyday human beings and wrote about events that were fulfilled in the future.

People have the right to believe in what they want. Organized religion is what I don’t follow and believing in spiritual principles from the prophets doesn’t mean that I support state run religions. I don’t and I reject any institutions of a theocracy in any society. Lies exist among many groups, but true spirituality can overcome deceptions. Also, being masculine isn’t a sin and being feminine isn’t a sin either. It’s a sin when people exploit masculine and feminine influences in the Universe as an excuse to harm or immorally dominate both genders.

Also, many of the prophets’ words came true and this has nothing to do with hanging on to nefarious socio-political and religio-economic propaganda. Many human beings have great characters and died without experienced a 2 faced personalities including many of the ancients. The early church is made up of the first followers (including other people) during the first few centuries of Christianity. They were independent, strong, and had a growing following. That is the early church. The real early church weren’t made up of ignorant people, because the early church had access to the Torah, the Law, the words of the Prophets, the rest of the Tenakh, and other information at their diposal. They believed in moral living and loving kindness. They were brave to oppress the oppression from the Roman Empire and some died for standing up for their belief systems. Many in the early church can have reasoned debate and exist with an authentic, real conversation on issues.

This has occurred before. Also, many interpretation exist, but moral absolutes are real in the Universe. These moral absolutes don’t have many intrepreations. They are real. They are true and just like don’t kill innocent people, treat your neighbhor as yourself, help the poor, and love God with all of your heart & strength. The real church is made of true believers in God simply. The concept of church was invented by Jesus, his apostles, and Jesus’ followers. The church concept was invented to unify believers, do the communion, and have spiritual growth in the Christian religion.

People discuss these issues all of the time in the world. Also, many language in the Scriptures aren’t passive, aggressive nonsense.

Timothy said...

Your ad hominem attacks against real churches is unbecoming from you.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Is this important; do you want me to give you an immediate response?

If so, no problem.

Or are you simply making polite small talk, ettiquette PR bullshit?

Timothy said...

YOu can be honest. You don't have to use profanity to express a strong, legitimate point.

You know this. You can still excluse profanity and still be politically incorrect like I am in many of my responses.

That's simple to deduce.

Timothy said...

I've answered your points too.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Okay I interpret: You are only making polite small talk, ettiquette PR bullshit

I imagine you have your reasons, whatever they may be.

Thats okay. I am not in a hurry. When you are ready for me to be me; then we may embark on an honest conversation, about a future together; if any.

Till then:

"I would rather be the friend/wife of the real logcabin survivalist down to earth Timothy, than the PC ettiquette PR BS pretend one, than to be the ruler of the world."

When you decide you are tired of the PC ettiquette PR BS pretend image you project; I imagine I shall still be here. If not, thats okay too; you can be both; but I don't do PR BS pretend; so there is only one of me.

Timothy said...

You are so silly.

Timothy said...

I make more commentary than small talk. I talk and present political incorrect talk all of the time in the Internet or otherwise. To assume that about me is totally false on your part. I have my reasons that I don't stoop to the level of ad hominem attacks, because I don't have to use fake bravado on the Internet to outline points on a wide spectrum of subjects.

I can just calmly and cogently express my thoughts, refute people, and express my own ideologies.

I have an honest conversation all of the time. I'm a brother, so only a black sister can have my romantic heart. There is nothing wrong with showing etiquette. There is also nothing wrong with showing truth in a fierce way as long it deals with reality not fantasy.

Being without profanity in communication has nothing to do with embracing a P.C. mindset. You know this and I've answered all of your points once again.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Well brother, I hope you find yourself a good black sister; and that she treats you well and you are happy forever.

On a lighter SK note; ET wants to know what you thought of the rosey prime rib on JI?

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

I very much appreciate you for saying: "There is also nothing wrong with showing truth in a fierce way as long it deals with reality not fantasy."

I agree.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

I find in my culture determining whether someone is committed to a particular future reality is quite simple and very honourable. It leads to trust and strong relationships, and a total new way of being.

I must admit that all other cultures I have lived and worked in, there appears to be a massive fear of people in these cultures to clearly confirm the realities they wish to create; because they all seem to think that you can solve problems without addressing the root causes of these problems. Attempting to discuss this reality with them, its like a wall comes down over thier eyes, and you can see in their responses, their minds just go into zombie mode.

Anyway, so I look forward to hearing more from you about any realities (which include root cause problem solving; unless you think a future reality problem can be solved by ignoring its root causes; if so please explain how) you wish to discuss, if any.

Timothy said...

Your words are typical of you since I talk about reality and solutions all of the time simply put.

Timothy said...

I will have the final say in this matter.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Well depends what you mean by reality and solutions. Perhaps we mean different things.

As for you having the last word. There are many issues I have no problem with you having the last word on; but not all. And in fact those few that you are not allowed the last word on, are a result of your previous deceptions and betrayal. Now you have to earn my trust back, maybe I have to earn yours; I don't know. Thats okay. I don't mind.

So if you are clear what exactly you want the last word on; it is quite possible I may agree; but I am not clear about what exactly you want the last word.

If you mean the last decision is yours as to whether you have finally ready to decide about our future. You are correct. Until you are 100% sure, it is best for you to continue your gallavanting ways.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

I know what I want; you know what I want. Not difficult. Perhaps too simple; but thats okay too, if so. You don't seem sure about what you want; and thats okay, take your time, its better you take your time and make sure, than feel obliged or some such stupid shit. If we don't want the same, or we cannot agree; then that is just the way things are. So, we shall see.

Timothy said...

I offer solutions all of the time. See, you want pessimism to reign in my thinking and I refuse to accept your pessimism at every circumstance of life.

I will have the last word. I don’t use deceptions and betrayal. You use pessimism and deception when you promote evil population control methods and other stereotypes about religious people plus religion in gender. That’s your deception. Trust is earned, but I don’t need your respect to validate myself. I need the respect from my Creator and from my people to validate myself. I don’t mind showing the truth and you rejecting it.
I’m clear about what I want. I believe in freedom, but I do believe in exposing stereotypes about religion. I believe in exposing evil and I believe in reality.
The last word for me is that I mean I will have the last comment on this issue in this thread. My future is my future. I decide my own future. I will live my life, have respect for my people, and improve my morality plus thinking to contribute to society without promoting eugenics or any other nefarious philosophies.

Timothy said...

I certainly know what I want. I want to live in a better world than I was born into. I want exposure of all the evils in the world and freedom for all human beings. I believe in love for my people. That’s not difficult. I’m clear about what I want as expressed by my words. You just want me to accept your way of thinking. Yet, I will possess my own independent thinking on various matters. That’s me.

Timothy said...

Like I've said, I will have the last word on this thread.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Well its nice to hear -- after ten years mind you -- that you decide your future. Might it not have been helpful if you told Michael to tell me that?

Well, how about that? Do me a favour; take your 'decisions about your future' and exclude me from them; and tell your spooky buddies that I do not feature in your future and to leave me the fuck alone.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

I wish you all the best, I am sorry if my letters to you in prison pissed you off; that was not my intention at all. I simply hate crucifixions.

I think ten years of giving someone the benefit of the doubt is enough, don't you? I am sure you shall not have any trouble finding women who love deceipt, lies, betrayal and mindfuck games. I AM NOT ONE OF THEM!

I hope I have not misinterpreted you; but I am really shocked; by your statement that you determine your future. What deal did you make for you to determine your future? YOu just managed to avoid an execution, without any strings attached? What deal did you make?
If I am not part of that deal, let me go. If I am, tell me what the deal is, and why you have taken ten fucking years to do anything about it? Why you said fuck all for the past ten years? Why all the goddamn fucking cryptic shit!
There was a time I admired you for your honesty; now I despise you for your plausible deniability shit. What is the point of living lives that are so filled with hate and vengeance? I don't know what to say anymore.

Timothy said...

Your words don’t make me mad. I’m certainly not made. I’m just responding to your words and you ask me my opinions on inquiries. I just respond to your questions. I don’t believe in unnecessarily crucifixions, but exposing evil is not an unfair crucifixion.

You can’t show me evidence where I show deception, lies, betrayal, or mind games. That’s silliness to assume that about me. I’m living my life and showing the truth. Also, I never mess with you. You are comments in this blog and you are certainly obsessing with me. I’m not in your blogs at all. Certainly, you embraced the deception of anti-religious deception and obscene profane. You express profanity when someone disagrees with you and when you don’t get your way.
You haven’t misinterpreted. I determine the choices in my life period. I decide my own voluntary choice that I decide to achieve in my life. The rest of your words are exaggerations and trying to make a mountain out of a small hill. I simply meant that I make decisions in my life. I didn’t say I control every aspect of what goes on in the world. Living life can have problems, but life is consumed of happiness, adventures, and joy. You just embrace a sick pessimistic view of the world while I don’t.

Timothy said...

You are promoting a deception when you talk about leaving you alone. I don't deal with you like that. You stalk me when I mention something on the Net. I don't mess with you at all like that. I just respond to your words when you ask a question about me.

Timothy said...

Like I've said,


I will post the final comments on this thread.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

You are welcome and have a right to have the final say in matters that involve you.

In matters that involve me; I have the final say; and when you decide to be honourable and honest we can have a sincere serious conversation; where you open your goddamn fucking ears.

Till then: Let me know; I shall depart this blog and leave you alone. Do me a favour and do the same.

And if you do decide you want to contact me: MY CULTURE IS RADICAL HONESTY; so if you don't want me to practice my culture: GO AND FUCK YOURSELF AND LEAVE ME GODDAMN ALONE. IS THAT GODDAMN FUCKING CLEAR?

Timothy said...

I will have the final say.

I am honorable, which is your deception. I open my ears all of the time. YOu close your ears to the truth, but assign profanity and unnecessary anger when things don't get your way.

You are ignorant person. Since you made a response agaisnt me, I have a response to answer you. I don't mess with you. You mess with me with your comments and your ignorance of what real religion is all about.

Timothy said...

I will have the final say in the thread.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

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Tim

You are welcome to have the final say in the thread. If you want to have an honest sincere conversation about a future with me, ever (you are not obliged to, no offence taken if you are not interested); here is how you go about it. You ask me for a meeting, where we meet face to face, in the presence of Dr. Brad Blanton:

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27. The Radical Honesty Methodology or Process or definition of Sincere Sensate Forgiveness is explained in depth in Practicing Radical Honesty , also referred to as the Truth and Forgiveness Social Contract , with the six minimal requirements, none of which may be skipped, being:

1. You have to tell the truth about the specific behavior you resent, to the person, face-to-face;

2. You have to be verbally and vocally unrestrained with regard to volume and propriety;

3. You have to pay attention to the feelings and sensations in your body and to the other person as you speak;

4. You have to express any appreciations for the person that come up in the process, with the same attention to your feelings and to the other person as when you are expressing resentments;

5. You have to stay with any feelings that emerge in the process, like tears or laughter, regardless of any evaluations you may have about how it makes you look; and let the tears or laughter or pain or anger not be interrupted by your mind until they go naturally to completion;

6. You have to stay with the discussion until you no longer feel resentful of the other person.

28. Dr. Blanton -- the worlds expert on sincere sensate forgiveness -- concludes, with great emphasis, that is not to be contradicted by any lawyer, priest, psychotherapist, diplomat, bureaucrat, democrat, labour leader, company executive, head of government or any other patrolman, that: “Then, and only then, are you ready to talk about the future, make arrangements for the future, or make any agreements.”
-- Excerpt: HEADS OF ARGUMENT FOR LARA JOHNSTONE; IN SUPPORT OF RADICAL HONESTY POPULATION POLICY COMMON SENSE INTERPRETATION OF PROMOTION OF NATIONAL UNITY AND RECONCILIATION ACT, 34 OF 1995 (PDF)
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Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

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A. Radical Honesty Overview: Being Specific About Anger and Forgiveness
31. In Practicing Radical Honesty , Dr. Blanton qualifies the conflict between intellectual fairness and sensate forgiveness:
Many of us are concerned about fairness and use the principle of fairness as our primary rationalization for withholding anger. Advanced instruction in this principle creates lawyers who are miserable people. Divorces handled by lawyers often result in children shot back and forth like missiles between hostile camps. If you force yourself to be fair while still angry, you are a fool, and any agreements you make in such a state won't work for you. Judges and lawyers ignore this fact. Judges and lawyers exist for people who can't handle their anger. A judge tells you what to do, based on what he or she thinks is fair, whether you like it or not, because you haven't been able to work things out on your own.
32. The Radical Honesty Methodology or Process/definition of Sincere Sensate Forgiveness is explained in depth in Practicing Radical Honesty , also referred to as the Truth and Forgiveness Social Contract , with the six minimal requirements, none of which may be skipped, being:
1. You have to tell the truth about the specific behavior you resent, to the person, face-to-face;
2. You have to be verbally and vocally unrestrained with regard to volume and propriety;
3. You have to pay attention to the feelings and sensations in your body and to the other person as you speak;
4. You have to express any appreciations for the person that come up in the process, with the same attention to your feelings and to the other person as when you are expressing resentments;
5. You have to stay with any feelings that emerge in the process, like tears or laughter, regardless of any evaluations you may have about how it makes you look; and let the tears or laughter or pain or anger not be interrupted by your mind until they go naturally to completion;
6. You have to stay with the discussion until you no longer feel resentful of the other person.
33. Dr. Blanton -- the worlds expert on sincere sensate forgiveness -- concludes, with great emphasis, that is not to be contradicted by any lawyer, priest, psychotherapist, diplomat, bureaucrat, democrat, labour leader, company executive, head of government or any other patrolman, that: “Then, and only then, are you ready to talk about the future, make arrangements for the future, or make any agreements.”

Excerpt: HEADS OF ARGUMENT OF LARA JOHNSTONE, RADICAL HONESTY CULTURE;
A REASONABLE ‘BOER/SETTLER’ DESCENDANT OF DUTCH, FRENCH HUGUENOT AND BRITISH ‘SETTLERS’: HERMANUS BOSMAN, ANDREUS LUTGERUS KOLVER; JACQUES DE VILLIERS & JAMES AUGUSTUS JOHNSTONE;
IN SUPPORT OF ‘POLITICAL NECESSITY FRENCH RIDDLE OF THE KAFFIR LILY POND’ APPLICATION OF THE RADICAL HONESTY POPULATION POLICY COMMON SENSE INTERPRETATION OF ANC’S ‘TRC SOCIAL CONTRACT’ FRAUD;
RECOMMENDATION TO CONSTITUTIONAL COURT TO RESOLVE ‘KILL BOER/SETTLER HATE SPEECH’ DESCARTIAN V UBUNTU CONFORMIST CULTURAL FRICTION BY IMPLEMENTING: (A) 23 APRIL 1994 ACCORD ON AFRIKANER SELF-DETERMINATION FOR A BOER ‘KAFFIR’ FREE SPEECH VOLKSTAAT; AND/OR (B) JUS SANGUINIS REPATRIATION OF ‘SETTLERS’ TO EU PROGENITOR NATIONS. (PDF)
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Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

If you want to resolve issues with Mike Smith (Wayne Moller); here is his last email to me, before he basically told me to fuck off:
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Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

From: Seven Seas [mailto:sevenseas0@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 3:32 PM
To: Lara Johnstone
Subject: Why I am so upset

Hi Lara
I do not think you are actively listening to me. When I tell you that I did not know about Race traitor, then I mean it. I was shocked to my boots to discover that such a website even exists. The fact that YOU of all people were/are a contributor and active supporter of a website that says, “RACE TRAITOR - treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity”and further, “RACE TRAITOR aims to serve as an intellectual center for those seeking to abolish the white race.”
Sorry, but I do not buy your explanation of the motives of the owner. It is clear from the website that the owner hates whites. It is full-on anti-white hate speech. What do you think would happen if someone substitutes “White”on there with “Jew”or “Blacks”….Hey? Don’t you think it would be classed as a hate site and be removed with immediate effect? How would you define that one away?
This is the main reason I am livid with you. I cannot believe that you support that site and that you still, to this day, make excuses for them and try to define their evilness away.
I had no idea, I never expected this from you. I am also a white person, so is my family and your family and you actively support a group who wants to rid the world of them.
You pretend to stand up for white Afrikaners and South Africans and at the same time support a group who wants to abolish them. That is hypocrisy and treason of the worst kind.
What makes it worse is that you hide behind a veil of radical honesty, but practices treason, deceit, hatred and dishonesty. I find your subtle lies and deceit abhorrent.
You cannot be both Lara. You cannot support whites and work to abolish them. No amount of bullshit defining and reasoning is going to make sense of this cognitive dissonance in your mind. It is like being both good and evil at the same time. It is a Jekyll and Hyde personality. It is simply sick. That is why I think you need help. You belong in an asylum. Really.
As far as Brad Blanton is concerned. I have no intention of ever meeting the piece of shit. I do not have to meet every drug taking, syphilitic, herpes infested promiscuous bisexual liberal doos who advertises himself on the internet. If you see nothing wrong with him, and in fact admire him, then go for it. Just do not expect me to feel the same about him.
The same with Demian. You will never convince me that he is honourable. He is a murderer and if I could have my way, I would hang the bastard myself. I fully support the death penalty for murderers, rapists and childmolestors. By the way…how is the divorce coming along or is that also only an eye-blind exercise?
What pisses me off something chronically is the fact that you cannot see the wood for the trees. Instead of seeing and accepting evil scum for what they are, you try to reason and define the evil away.
You can try all you like to convince me about, “perception“ and “definitions“ and that it just depends on through what colour spectacles I look at something…The fucking elephant is still in the room, Lara. He is grey. His lard-arse is directly in your face. His arsehole stinks and he is pissing on your foot with a jet-stream…reason it away and convince yourself he is a fluffy white bunny. You are removed from reality. Klaar.
If you cannot see that, then I have serious convictions about your intelligence. What makes it worse is that you pretend to be this, “Honest Person”yet you refuse to be honest with yourself. You refuse to believe Demian and Brad are lowlife scum. You convince yourself that they are hounarble, admirable and righteous men. Your sense of morality is all upside down and inside out.
I am not a psychologist, but it is self evident how your mind works. How you constantly seek out evil people like Timmie, Demian or Brad and then define and reason the evil away and turn them into honourable people.
(see 2/2)

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

(part 2/2)

And another thing. When I say you need a proper banging, then It means just that…not necessarily from me. Do not jump to conclusions and get your hopes up.
Let me tell you what the truth is. Since you became involved with RH, your life changed. You convince yourself everyday that you became a better person. In fact you hardly have any friends. You cannot get or keep a boyfriend. You can’t get a proper job. You have had serious run-ins with the law. You have been to a mental institution. Your life has become miserable, but you are too stubborn to admit that RH is responsible for it. No, you define all this shit away with your twisted logic. You convince yourself that Brad is your friend…
Ag, it’s useless…I don’t know why I still try…
Have a nice day. This conversation is now closed.
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Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

So, the two of you are welcome to continue any conversation you wish in cryptic crap; both of you know what I require from a relationship.

Alternatively both of you are welcome to go and fuck as many sluts, whores, walking vagina's, who are happy to enter into two faced lying relationships with you, and don't have any expectations that you act like honourable honest men.

I am NOT INTERESTED IN LYING TWO FACED MEN WITHOUT HONOUR!

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Why don't you take responsibility for explaining to Mike that Radical Honesty had fuck all to do with fucking up my life.

Why don't you tell Mike htat it was after I offered to give my life on behalf of justice for a RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVE TO GET A FREE AND FAIR TRIAL, that my life became fucked up.

Explain to Mike why you played Stanley Milgram to see whether there were any white or black men or women in South Africa of honour, who would stand up for justice for the only non-racial person in this fucked up country; the only person in this fucked up country who stands for true sincere forgiveness and honesty.

Ask Mike why he and the entire South Africa refuse to demand justice and a free and fair trial for the only SA who endorse the rule of law for all SA's; of all races and religions and cultures?

Timothy said...

Goodbye and I have the final comment on this matter.