Sunday, April 26, 2009

Jefferson Smith on SDAs

From http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=10048&st=45&#entry2238325

Those who are living upon the earth when the intercession of Christ shall cease in the sanctuary above are to stand in the sight of a holy God without a mediatorThe Great Controversy p 425

Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them - Hebrews 7:25

Also, a great God? New age speak much? I'm sorry but Charles Taze Russell, Joseph Smith, and Ellen G White are all on the same boat. Do you ever wonder why people, including those who aren't Christian, label SDA's with JW's and LDS under the same group? Because they all have something in common, they are 19th century freemason created cults. The great lie being perpetrated by the new age occult movement isn't the doctrine of everlasting life/reincarnation; it’s the elimination of hell. If I sin and do evil then it's okay, Mr. Jehovah Witness told me that hell doesn't exist and my soul will cease to exist when I die. The truth is this teaching is only taught because it attracts heathens! Sinners don’t like hearing about an eternal life in hell because they are slaves to sin and want to boast about their works. Catholics boast about praying the Rosary, Hindus boast about their karma, men boast about their riches, and SDA’s boast about their diet and worshiping on Saturday. Ellen G White’s tombstone had an erect penis on it for a reason, because she was one of them. It is an insult to have this tombstone if you are a non-brother. The Jesuits(or whoever you want to blame it on) putting it on her tombstone to "make her look bad" is just plain ludicrous, it’s the equivalent of a nazi having the menorah or star of David on his tombstone. The evidence is right in front of you, they are spitting in your face and you think it's raining.

Another thing that should sound alarm bells, prophetess

The Bible prohibits women from holding the office of elder in the church (1 Cor. 14:33-35; 1 Tim. 2:8-15; 3:1-7). Also, since it is a violation of the Scriptures for a woman to exercise authority over a man in spiritual things, no woman shall be appointed to a teaching or authoritative function in a ministry of the church where adult men would be regularly under her ministry.

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1 Corinthians 14:33-35

This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
1 Timothy 3:1-7

I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
1 Timothy 2:8-15

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Ellen G White wasn’t receiving any prophecies, if anything she was going under automatic writing. Some of her visions are absolutely ridiculous. “All the angels hold a golden card, which they must present at the gate of the holy city, to get in and out” – Early Writings p 39

And what about this whole Investigative Judgment/1844 nonsense? This sounds like a story out of the history of the LDS or JW. Miller, who I believe was saved, wrongfully predicted the coming of Christ and then saw that he did wrong and left the movement he started and admitted he was wrong, like a true Christian would have done. But no, I guess Miller wasn’t wrong because Jesus entered into the second compartment of Heaven's Holy of Holies in 1844 and began investigative judgment. Really??? You actually believe this? I guess the differences of translation in the book of Mormon is because God was angry at Martin Harris for losing the original translation? If I’m sounding a bit too ad hominem then lets get to the gospel shall we?

And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. - Daniel 8:14

The final atonement began in 1844? Didn’t Jesus say it is finished?

When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. - John 19:30

But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; - Hebrews 10:12

And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. - Romans 5:11

The atonement was long finished before 1844. And why in the world would Jesus need to start an investigation? He knows the hearts of all men!

Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. - Hebrews 4:13

He always had the eyes to investigate, he did not have to start in 1844.

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the SpiritRomans 8:1

Believers already have eternal life according to the Bible, we don’t need no “final atonement” for salvation.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.John 5:24

We’re saved already, this doctrine of investigative judgment, a doctrine of works, is a doctrine of man and not of the Bible.

Oh and what about this whole vegetarian nonsense?

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
- Timothy 4:1-5

The Seventh Day Adventist Church is a false church, and in my opinion, one of the three major christian cult churches started in the 19th century. Whether they expose the Vatican or not doesn't mean anything. This is not a war against a group of old men but against Satan who is after your soul and wants to pervert the word of God.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. - Ephesians 6:12


-Jefferson Smith

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Ellen White's false prophecies:

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/ellen_white_false_prophecy.html

http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/egw35.htm

http://www.biblebelievers.com/SDA/index.html

6 comments:

Ronald Day said...

Charles Taze Rusell was not a freemson; he did not believe in the freemasons organization.
http://ctr.reslight.net/?p=169Charles Taze Russell did not "eliminate" hell; rather, he explained the truth about the Bible hell.

Charles Taze Russell did not believe in an organization such as Jehovah's Witnesses. Russell was a non-sectarian. Joseph Rutherford is the one who is responsible for the creating of the authoritarian organization that is called "Jehovah's Witnesses".
http://ctr.reslight.net/?p=134

Timothy said...

Charles Taze Russell may not be a Mason, but he adopted Masonic imagery and he promoted Masonry in his own words. Also, Russell supported theology that is embraced by the JWs. Russell being non-sectarian has nothing to do with whether Jehovah Witness is pro-Christian or not.

Rutherford is the express fruit of the JWs. Also, Russell taught an unbiblical view of Hell. Hell is a real place for sinners until the Lake of Fire.

Timothy said...

Russell taught false prophecies and unscriptural doctrines as well.

Ronald Day said...

Despite all the imaginative claims and assertions for Springmeier and others, Russell adopted no Masonic imagery. Russell did not promote the Masons organization, in his own words:

"We note also that the Order of Free Masons, if judged by its past history, has some secret object or scheme, more than fraternity and financial aid in time of sickness or death. And, so far as we can judge, there is a certain amount of profane worship or mummery connected with the rites of this order and some others, which the members do not comprehend, but which, in many cases, serves to satisfy the cravings of the natural mind for worship, and thus hinders it from seeking the worship of God in spirit and in truth--through Christ, the only appointed Mediator and Grand Master." -- Watch Tower June 15, 1895; R1827 : page 143

See also:
http://other.reslight.net/?p=40
http://ctr.reslight.net/?p=170

The JWs denounce the core teaching of Russell on the "ransom for all". I never said that Russell's being a non-sectarina had anything to do with whether "Jehovah's Witnesses" is pro-Christian or not. Indeed, in view of the fact of the JWs sectarian organization, as well as denial of "ransom for all", that organization is indeed not Christian. Russell was never associated with the JW organization, nor did he believe in such an organization.

Russell taught the Biblical truth about hell, as opposed to the imagined "hell" that is taught by tradition. Hell is a real condition for the righteous as well as the sinners until the day of judgment -- "the last day" -- when the righteous are raised for life, and the sinners are raised for a judgment apart from the judgement in Adam, which judgment is given because of Jesus' ransom sacrifice. (John 5:28,29; 6:39,44,54; 11:24; 12:47,48; 1 Timothy 2:5,6) The lake of fire is the "second death" for those who refuse to obey the things revealed in the books that are opened in the "last day," while Satan is abyssed so that he is not able to deceive the heathen. (Isaiah 2:2-4; 25:7; 26:9; 29:18,24; Revelation 20:2,3)

In this age, once one is reckoned as freed for all time from the condemnation in Adam, and thus is reckoned as having received of the powers of the age to come (Hebrews 6:4,5) and made a new creation in Christ, for him it is as though he has been made alive in that age to come, when all things become new. (2 Corinthians 5:17; Revelation 21:1-5) However, if that new creature sins, it is willful, but such a willful sinner, having already received the merit of Christ's sacrrifice, is not placed again under the condemnation in Adam, but comes under the eternal condemnation of the age to come, that is, the second death.

The second death is contrasted with the death in Adam (1 Corinthians 15:21,22; Revelation 20:14) All dying in the death of Adam are convered by the ransom sacrifice of Jesus (Hosea 13:14); the Bible hell [hades, sheol] is destroyed in the lake of fire; it does not have a conscious suffering for eternity. (Revelation 20:14)

Jesus dies for sin only once, there is no more sacrifice for those who, once having been made alive by means of Christ's sacrifrice, who wish to remain wilfull sinners. (Hebrews 7:27; 9:26; 10:10,26) There is no scripture that says anything about any human suffering for eternity in the lake of fire; they will be in the oblivious condition of the second death forever.
http://hereafter.reslight.net

The "prophecies" that Russell taught were the Biblical "prophecies"; Russell himself disclaimed many times that he was a prophet.
http://ctr.reslight.net/?p=43Russell, of course, did make mistakes, which he admitted, but overall, he was not promtoting unscriptural doctrines. While I do not agree with all that the taught, he sought to return to Biblical truths as opposed to the added on and assumptive teachings of men which, by tradition, have been read into the scriptures, and thus I am grateful for the work that he did in this regard.
http://ctr.reslight.net/?p=129

Timothy said...

It's time for me to respond then. You can call Fritz's claim imaginative if you want to. Yet, he is accurate mostly on this issue. Regardless if Charles Taze Russel was a Freemason or not, he accepted Masonic teachings and imagery in his doctrine. I will not back down from that fact at all. I don't care if you make 1 million responses to that. I will not back down.

Now, the JWs denouncing some of Russell's views is very ironic. Russell didn't taught the Biblical on Hell at all. I don't believe in some imagined hell. That stereotype is very tried and old. Hell is a real place for sinners not the righteous or the saved at all. The Bible is clear that those who died and are saved immediately go into Heaven. The lake of fire are punishment for those who obeyed the Beast and for the unsaved. The book in the NT describes Lazarus seeing a person literally suffering in Hell.

The Bible is clear on people suffering eternally in the Lake of Fire for being sinners:


"AND WHEN THE THOUSAND YEARS ARE EXPIRED, SATAN SHALL BE LOOSED OUT OF HIS PRISON, AND SHALL GO OUT TO DECEIVE THE NATIONS...AND THEY WENT UP ON THE BREADTH OF THE EARTH, AND COMPASSED THE CAMP OF THE SAINTS ABOUT, AND THE BELOVED CITY: AND FIRE CAME DOWN FROM GOD OUT OF HEAVEN, AND DEVOURED THEM. AND THE DEVIL THAT DECEIVED THEM WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE AND BRIMSTONE, WHERE THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET ARE, AND SHALL BE TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER"
-Rev 20:7-10.

Timothy said...

Jesus did made one sacrifice for all sin. That's true. Many of Russell's prophecies were false predictions. Many links prove this including:

http://www.letusreason.org/JW33.htm

http://www.letusreason.org/Proph7.htm

http://www.lamblion.com/articles/articles_cults13.php

Russell's prophecies weren't Bible, they were false predictions. He is a false prophet and even you in your respond admitted that he made mistakes. He was promoting unscriptural doctrines. They include that the Holy Spirit isn't a Person, Pyramidology, CHrist returning invisibly in 1874, and other things.


By Timothy