Thursday, April 16, 2009

The Waco gene


Andrea Murrhteyn said...

Thomas J. McVeigh says

Mr. Riggs,

CC: Timothy 'TruthSeeker'Pity impartiality ain't a high pre-requisite for some who call themselves 'libertarians'; but that happens to be true for communists, socialists, liberals, and conservatives too. So whats new?

People who prefer to draw conclusions and malign other people as vicious murderers, who killed for no reason; but who have done absolutely nothing to do a full impartial enquiry into all the evidence (in this case thousands of pages of evidence have yet to be released by among others the CIA, Pentagon and NSA, in the matter of the OKC Bombing, but don't let that bother you about issues such as those moronic concepts of a free and fair trial, and impartial juries and judges -- fuck those obscenities, when you can crucify a Patriot).

And for those who alleged he was a mass murderer; what do you think you do when you are in a Guerrylla War? Sing Kumbaya and hold hands?

How many times have you rented THE PATRIOT, and got all gooyee eyed with Pride? What is wrong with you when you cannot see A PATRIOT in real life, but only one Hollywood plays for you on your television?

Wake up! I think most of you resent McVeighs BRASS BALLS AND COURAGE, NOT TO MENTION HIS BRUTAL HONESTY, and the FACT that he KNEW what his RIGHTS and DUTIES were in accordance with the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, and had the BALLS to ACT on those RIGHTS and DUTIES.

So the marshmallow ball brigade of cowards and wimps, want to sit around and malign him. Go ahead! Thats what cowards do. He died standing on his feet, you will probably die on your knees in one of the camps the Goverment he took on, have planned for you and your wimpy family.

For those of you unaware, McVeigh's defense was to be POLITICAL NECESSITY -- look it up; based upon an ACT OF WAR, against the US Goverment (yes the same one happily targetting you all as extremists), for the US Goverments long train of absuses, since at the very least 1913, AS PER:

But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their RIGHT, IT IS THEIR DUTY, TO THROW OFF SUCH A GOVERMENT, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.

And yet you know the mainstream media lies to you -- but when it comes to Timothy McVeigh, they were telling you the truth? Get REal! Wake up!

Pity foriegners know the principles of the Declaration of Independence, and can recognize REAL AMERICAN PATRIOTS, WHO KNOW WHAT THEIR GODDAMN RIGHTS AND DUTIES ARE, AND WHO ACT ON THEM, more than Americans, who are too busy watching fucking Baywatch, Oprah and the Jerry Springer Show.

So for the few of you, who are remotely interested in impartiality regarding the opinions of McVeigh prior to his 'execution'; you may find them from Outpost of Freedom.

FOR THE RECORD: In November 2001, Timothy McVeigh's Commanding Officer in the Oklahoma City Bombing, John Doe # 2, requested permission from his Pentagon Commanding Officer, to reveal information related to the OKC Bombing Attacks, for the purposes of good faith release, towards FULL DISCLOSURE and RADICAL HONESTY AND FORGIVENESS AMNESTY HEARINGS, as requested of the US Goverment, by the DISCLOSURE PROJECT WITNESSES. John Doe #3's request was approved by the Pentagon. NOT ONE MEDIA OUTLET IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WAS INTERESTED IN JOHN DOE # 2'S INFORMATION!

Andrea Murrhteyn said...
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Andrea Murrhteyn said...

Anonymous (07:24PM)

CC: Timothy Truthseeker
USMC Rick Biesada

The only financial contribution I have received, to share my information related to T. McVeigh, was a $50 check, from former USMC Sgt. Rick Biesada, author of ANGRY WHITE MALE AND THE HORSE HE RODE IN ON (, to help market his book, in 2003.

If you are serious about your allegation, and interested in viewing my bank deposits or accounts, since May 2001, when I first corresponded with McVeigh (or even prior thereto, to my first bank account, if you wish), let me know (email: JMC Patriot Alert Task Force:[at]

Furthermore, you can ask the IRS if I REFUSED TO PAY TAXES. For your information, I did.

So, perhaps you may wish to stop hiding behind 'anonymous' handles, making accusations against others, you yourself may be guilty of; and put YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS, huh?

Lara Johnstone

Andrea Murrhteyn said...

by Sherman H. Skolnick 06/15/01
Shackled and hand-cuffed to major financial forces, the moguls of the monopoly press believe the secrets of Timothy McVeigh ended when he ended. And the stooges, masquerading as our leaders, governing nowadays without our consent, are inclined to believe that as well.

What they did not realize is that some of their supposed confidential conversations were not that hush-hush. Were overheard and noted, even apparently taped. What did they know and not tell us? Information confirmed to them as correct but kept from the common people?

[1] That the American secret political police had McVeigh under video and audio scrutiny from at least thirty days prior to the multiple bombings on April 19, 1995, of the Alfred P. Murrah Building.

[2] McVeigh was surveilled in Kansas and Oklahoma in the company of two middle-eastern types, partly disguised. As known to the FBI , the American CIA, and other espionage agencies, foreign and domestic, his two handlers accompanied him in a late model four-wheel drive pick-up truck.

[3] As these agencies corroborated, McVeigh's supervisors were actually Iraqi military officers, from intelligence units, quietly brought into the United States at the end of the brief Persian Gulf War, 1991. They were part of more than four thousand of the same, supposed defectors, arranged by then President George Herbert Walker Bush. The Elder Bush, many do not know, for the decade of the 1980s, was the PRIVATE business partner of Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi strongman. Together, they shared billions and billions of dollars of kick-backs and "protection" funds, from the weak oil sheikdoms of the Persian Gulf. A little known Chicago federal lawsuit was brought, in October, 1990, during the lead-up to the shooting war, to keep concealed the related bank records showing the clandestine partnership. The case involved the records of the Chicago unit of Italy's largest bank, owned in part by the Vatican, Banca Nazionale del Lavoro, BNL. The Federal Reserve Board wanted the House Banking Committee Chairman to agree never to use the records because he refused to sign a secrecy oath.

As the only journalist attending the court hearing, I interviewed some of the participants in the back of the courtroom.I asked and received identical answers three times, to be certain of the crucial data. They confirmed the Bush-Saddam relationship and the monstrous kick-backs from the sheikdoms. Only one publication, a populist newspaper, The Spotlight, penetrated the nationwide censorship and ran my exclusive story, August 19, 1991. The case was entitled People of the State of Illinois ex rel Willis C. Harris, Bank Commissioner vs. the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the House Banking Committee, No. 90 C 6863, in the U.S. District Court, and later heard in the U.S. Court of Appeals, 7th Circuit, Chicago. The three-judge federal appeals court panel was dominated by the infamous Chief Judge Richard A. Posner [(312) 435-5806] [Visit our website for our story "Chief Crook Enters Microsoft Case".] Posner and his virtual shadow, federal appeals Judge Frank H. Easterbrook [(312) 435-5808], although on the bench, continue to represent reportedly the billion dollar stock portfolio of the oil-soaked Rockefeller's University of Chicago, were they used to be law professors. [The two judges have reportedly failed to disclose the relationship in their mandatory annual Federal Financial Disclosure Report.]

As part of the cover-up, Chief Judge Posner ordered the Bush/Saddam/BNL case removed from the courthouse. Later, Posner and his shadow Easterbrook, as a reprisal for my reporting the case on my TV Show, unconstitutionally ordered me and a TV program associate of mine, Joseph Andeuccetti, barred from all the federal courtrooms in the 7th Circuit, Illinois, Indiana, and Wisconsin. [The U.S. Supreme Court refused a remedy to this blatant First Amendment violation.]

[4] Of the more than four thousand Iraqi military officers brought into the U.S. by then President Bush, more than five hunded reside with their families in Lincoln, Nebraska, and two thousand with their families reside in Oklahoma City and right nearby.

[5] As actual cronies, although little known or understood, the Elder Bush and later as President, William Rockefeller Clinton, arranged for these supposed defectors to have housing, to be usefully employed, and to have other financial and related provisons, for the Iraqis and their families. Jointly, the Elder Bush and Clinton were in a position to know full well that some of these military officers were double-agents, trained in dirty bloody tricks. Little-known, the Elder Bush has reportedly been a major stockholder of a French firm, American LaFarge, which reportedly makes the ingredients for poison gas, supplied to Saddam Hussein. The Iraqi strongman, during the Iraq-Iran War, 1980 to 1988, used the poison gas against hordes of very young Iranian soldiers as well as against Saddam's own domestic dissidents, the Kurds. A director of American LaFarge has been Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Both the Elder Bush and Clinton knew, as Presidents, what the American common people generally do NOT know about the end of the Persian Gulf War. Namely, tens of thousands of Iraqi soldiers, mostly conscripts, were proceeding under a white flag of surrender when they were shot from behind, on the ground and from the air, as the U.S. Military had been ordered. Some estimate as many as 150 thousand young Iraqis were thus the victims of these War Crimes. Many still alive, were pushed by U.S. military bulldozers---Nazi-style---into mass graves in the desert. Under strict censorship, the U.S. pressfakers were not permitted to publish or air pictures of bodies, only miles and miles of blown up military trucks, tanks, and other Iraqi military equipment.

In the Islamic world, were the Oklahoma secrets known, they might correctly feel the Iraqis got justifiable revenge in causing, so far, the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil. Used were domestic dissident patsies and surrogates for Iraq which has been interwoven with the business affairs of the Bush family and Bill and Hillary Clinton, and Richard Cheney.

[6] As confirmed as to contents, by the FBI/CIA/intelligence agencies surveillance of Timothy McVeigh in the company of his Iraqi military officer handlers, McVeigh and his handlers carried around several suitcases. Some of them contained highly effective C-4 explosives. One suitcase contained a lower level sub-atomic device, known as "Red Mercury". The suitcase nuke had been developed by the Soviets and made available to their client-state, Iraq. The shearing off of the steel pillars of the Murrah Building was NOT done by a fertilizer truck-bomb from in front of the building. Rather, by devices in the parking section of the basement.

As reported by a researcher, "Jane Graham,a sixty year old Federal Housing Services employee, was on the ninth floor of the Murrah Building when she saw, heard and felt the rolling tremor of the building accompanied by a slow rumbling explosion. About 6 to 8 seconds later, she was struck by a much more powerful and sudden explosion that lifted the floors of the building straight up. About 3 hours after the explosions took place she saw and later obtained video recordings of the federals pouring wet concrete into the 25 foot crater in the basement of the Murrah Building. Even though she demanded to testify before the Grand Jury she was not allowed to do so. Nor was she allowed to testify at all concerning any of the proceedings surrounding the Oklahoma City Massacre. Many other witnesses report similar experiences. Most witnesses are too fearful to speak out." As sent to us by e-mail from Reinhold Sommerstedt, 6/8/01.

Independent persons, with radiation gauges, called Geiger Counters, tried to measure the radiation after the explosions, but were not permitted to get that close. In the past, I have been heckled for my exclusive stories that nuclear-type radiation residue, from tritium, was found and secretly measured by government operatives in the bombsite. Luckily or otherwise, what was discovered were left-overs of tritium. Unlike plutonium, tritium does not have a hundred-year or more "half-life", the period during which it can still greatly harm. Some contend the half-life of tritium is as little as thirty days.

Critical of the fertilizer truck-bomb theory, author David Hoffman in his book did state: An article in The Nashville Tennessean insists Saddam Hussein has been developing 220 pounds of Lithium 6 a year. Lithium 6 can be converted to TRITIUM, an essential ingredient in thermonuclear reactions." (Emphasis added.) And in a footnote " 'Iraq Also Worked on Hydrogen Bomb', Associated Press, quoted in The Nashville Tennessean, 10/9/91, as quoted in Charles T. Harrison, 'Hell in a Hand Basket The Threat of Portable Nuclear Weapons', Military Review, May, 1993." The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror, Feral House, original 1998 Edition, page 14.

[7] Before and after the apparent death of Timothy McVeigh, several persons, apparently family members of network newsreporters, and some reporters themselves, discussed some items mentioned here, with retired network reporters, Establishment journalists, retired FBI officials, news network bosses, and such. Apparently they did not know they were being overheard and in some instances taped. The conversations corroborate that the top honchos of the news networks in America knew about the FBI/CIA surveillance of McVeigh PRIOR TO THE BOMBINGS and were aware of the FBI/CIA audio/video taped surveillance. BUT the data was censored at the highest level of the U.S. Government and the monopoly press. Further, the discussions showed that the FBI/CIA have closed circuit video showing an Iraqi military officer supervising the one purporting to be McVeigh near the bombsite.

[8] In his heavily documented and detailed book, author David Hoffman raises questions that there may have been others posing as "Timothy McVeigh" and that "McVeigh" was under mind control. That is, that the bombings may have been orchestrated or allowed to happen as an espionage event. Several persons claiming to be "Timothy McVeigh", all staged apparent events, many miles apart, that someone would remember. All the while the person doing something very odd, emphatically proclaims "My name is Timothy McVeigh".

For many years suppressed in the U.S. and not allowed to be sold in bookstores had been a best-seller in various languages in Europe. In English, called "Farewell America", it was written by operatives of the French CIA under the pen-name "James Hepburn". They penetrated the plot against President John F. Kennedy but because of complex reasons, too many to list here, they did not see fit to warn him. The book shows how the American CIA used several persons, not all of them actually looking that much like Lee Harvey Oswald, staged odd events and commotions to bring attention to themselves, and then loudly and emphatically proclaimed "My Name Is Lee Harvey Oswald".

[9] Sarcastic sorts even raise the question Was the REAL "Timothy McVeigh" put to death? Or, for that matter, was ANYONE put to death in the death room at Terre Haute Prison on June 11, 2001? They say, if "McVeigh" were given a sedative to put him to sleep, and slumber, then how was it that at the end HIS EYES WERE OPEN?

[10] This item requires a little background. Little-known outside the news industry, the major radio news outlets, linked to the networks like in New York, have available several different news "menus" from the network. They are shown the menus just before the top of the hour so the local outlet news director can select. Sometimes they are ORDERED not to use certain items for their part of the nation. For a long time, during the night, California radio outlets of news networks, would use Menu One items, the best, sometimes revealing news items. Chicago radio stations on the other hand, would use only "soft-balls", Menu Five or further down than that. Funny thing, that has been recently reversed. For example, CBS Radio News during the night was putting on real hot stuff, about political assassinations and such. Why? The reporters were worried that their daytime bosses would go along with a merger with a foreign firm endangering the older reporters' pension rights and such. Thus Menu One was blackmail against the editors, against the would-be merger partner.

On the day "McVeigh" reportedly was snuffed, June 11, 2001, on their website put the following sly statement "Media witnesses described McVeigh as having a nearly shaved head, LOOKING OLDER, and thinner than in previous encounters with the public" (Emphasis added.) Did CBS want to raise questions with sharp-eyed sorts that maybe the REAL McVeigh was not the one in the prison death room? Sort of Menu One blackmail? [A division of CBS has supplied equipment and trained personnel to the American CIA and the Pentagon for military and espionage games planning and such.]

[11] In a previous story, I raised some of the questions and answers of WHY. Such as, the Elder Bush and his secret business partnership with Iraqi strongman Saddam Hussein. Such as, Richard Cheney, a major stockholder of oil patch machinery supplier Halliburton, and recent CEO of the firm, secretly is supplying, through Halliburton foreign units, oil machinery and other items, in violation of national security and violation of the embargo. Such as, White House occupant and "resident" George W. Bush covering up the Oklahoma bombings to protect his father. Such as, Bush Family crony, Clinton, having perpetuated the cover up for various reasons.

So, some in key places somehow thought a lot of the above was hush-hush and not known to more independent sorts. Now they know better.

by Sherman H. Skolnick 05/11/01
A possible split in the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and other federal agencies, may open up various possiblities as to what really happened as to the bombings in Oklahoma City, April 19, 1995. And we use the term BOMBINGS in the plural advisedly, because some explosives experts contend fertilizer bombs in a front-of-the-building truck could not have wrecked the building pillars as occurred.

Background President Clinton felt his power slipping away. The 1994 Congressional elections, considered by fellow Democrats as a Clinton-caused disaster, brought in a noisy GOP majority. In the spring of 1995, a small group of highly patriotic flag officers were plotting to arrest their Commander-in-Chief Clinton for giving military secrets to the Red Chinese, a sworn enemy of the U.S.; an arrest provided for and authorized under the military code. As titular head of both the U.S. civilian and military Establishment, Clinton, on the other hand, could have arrested the 24 Admirals and Generals for mutiny. If they were not assassinated, they intended to defend themselves with proof, such as Clinton giving, to the head of the Red Chinese Secret Police, in the White Houuse and elsewhere, U.S. financial, industrial, and MILITARY secrets. Giving aid and comfort to a sworn enemy of the U.S., the classical definition of treason.

Clinton felt he could nevertheless control the situation, notwithstanding the plot against him. Just prior to the 1994 elections was appointed to investigate Bill and Hillary, a supposed "Independent Counsel", Kenneth W. Starr. But Starr had built-in conflicts of interest, as Clinton was aware. Starr had as a private law client, Wang Jun, head of the Red Chinese Secret Police. Wang Jun also headed a Red Chinese military-owned company that made and marketed AK-47 submachine guns, intended for shipment to U.S. inner-city narco-terrorist street gangs, for shoot-em-ups with big city police, to destabilize the U.S. government.

Moreover, Starr was reportedly the UNREGISTERED foreign lobbyist for the Red Chinese government. Starr was thus subject at any time, to Clinton Justice Department punishment.

[Visit our extensive website series, "Red Chinese Secret Police IN THE UNITED STATES".]

On Monday, April 17, 1995, a military jet planeload of top military was enroute to Dallas. They had onboard what is not supposed to exist, an American prisoner-of-war, prepared to finger the Pentagon as perpetuated by Clinton, as continuing the POW/Missing in Action cover-up from the Viet Nam war. From sabotage, the plane blew up in the air, killing all onboard, near Alexander City, Alabama. The Pentagon made every effort to cover up what happened. Families of the victims were reportedly not permitted to have any possessions or details. There are strong reasons to believe the plane had a portion of a group of "Seven Days in May" style military officers plotting a coup against the White House. Thereafter, the small group of other flag officers, out of uniform, took up residence in a Paris suburb. A year later, the Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Jeremy Boorda, apparently aware of the coup, was assassinated and covered up as a "suicide", a favorite whitewash by the monopoly press. And about the time of Boorda's murder, was assassinated William Colby, former Director of Central Intelligence. He reportedly was assisting the plotters with detailed data. Colby's death was explained by the pressfakers as a "boat accident", although his friends contend it was murder.

Clinton, as President, was fully aware that Oklahoma City had as residents, a large number of Iraqi military officers and their families, some officers of Iraqi Intelligence units, supposed defectors after the Persian Gulf War, 1991, brought into the U.S. by President George Herbert Walker Bush. Iraq, as Clinton knew, was planning a revenge terrorist attack against a federal office building in Oklahoma City, using U.S. dissidents as surrogates, but insulated from the actual Iraqi handlers. The FBI, the CIA, and other in the intelligence community, have pictures and records showing the Iraqi military officers supervising the Murrah Building bombings. [Local Oklahoma TV reporters confirming this in part were fired or otherwise punished.]

Little if at all publicized was that prior to the Timothy McVeigh trial, the head of his defense team, Stephen Jones, filed an extra-ordinary petition in the Federal Appeals court, called Petition for Mandamus. It sought to force the Denver trial judge who was set to hear the McVeigh murder case removed from Oklahoma City, to release certain secret documents possessed by various federal intelligence agencies. Referring to the secret as well as public court records, Jones' Petition pointed out that U.S. intelligence agencies were aware of Iraqi complicity in the Murrah Building bombing. For apparent reasons of "national security", a catch-all whitewash excuse, the federal appeals court rejected the Petition and the McVeigh murder trial, minus the revealing records, proceeded.

A U.S. Secret Service Agent, Witcher, in a position to finger Clinton on other matters, was steered into occupying an office in the Murrah Building. He died in the disaster. [We have one of the few pictures of him.] Clinton, apparently faking remorse, later attended a memorial for the agent. At the time of the bombings, the U.S. Treasury's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Fire-Arms, headquartered in the Murrah Building, was planning an exercise as to how to "sting" or flush out would-be domestic terrorists. Something went wrong with their "sting" operation. The BATF knew not to have their personnel in the Alfred Murrah Building on that Wednesday, April 19, 1995. A local fire official was likewise warned. So was a local judge in a nearby building, warned of an expected bombing that day.

Making a rare appearance on CBS' "Sixty Minutes" Program, Clinton described the tragedy as a "plot to overthrow the government". WIth his power and prestige waning prior to the bombings, Clinton with the complicity of the spy-riddled monopoly press, now urged the public to support and rally around their President. Clinton and the presswhores used the bombings as an excuse to want to punish and round-up U.S. domestic dissidents that were heckling the central government in Washington. [Similarly, when Adolph Hitler came to power, he had the German Parliament burned down and falsely blamed on dissidents, to consolidate his power and have an excuse to round-up opponents to the Nazi Party.]

Right before the scheduled execution of McVeigh, an apparent split has developed in the FBI. There is reason to believe the split is also in other intelligence agencies. The target of the divergence is both current alleged "President" or White House "resident" George W. Bush and former President Clinton. Through his father, George W. Bush is in a position to know, and want to cover up, the complicity of the Iraqi officers on U.S. soil in the Oklahoma City bombings. Also, former President Clinton, somewhere in the future, may well be subject to federal criminal prosecution for treason and the murder of the 168 who died in the Murrah Building bombings. Are other records about to be revealed? Some believe so.

Based on a little-known Federal case in Chicago, 1991, where I was the only spectator and journalist present, I did exclusive stories on how the Elder Bush in the decade of the 1980s, was a PRIVATE business partner of Iraqi strongman Saddam Hussein. Together, they shook down the weak sheikdoms in the Persian Gulf for billions and billions of dollars of oil kick-backs. The Persian Gulf War, in its simplest form, was merely two private business partners having a falling out and wanting to punish one another. Through foreign units of his firm, Halliburton, Vice President Richard Cheney has extensive business with Iraq on oil-country machinery and such. Prior to being Vice President, Cheney was CEO of Halliburton. Through Harken Energy, and a massive swindle, George W. Bush has extensive interests in the Persian Gulf and conflicts of interest as to Iraq as a so-called subdued "enemy" of the U.S.


by Sherman H. Skolnick 05/11/01
The following further details in this report might be helpful in understanding the situation

1. As stated, the head of the McVeigh defense team, attorney Stephen Jones, prior to the 1997 McVeigh murder trial, filed a Petition for Mandamus, an extra-ordinary attempted remedy in the U.S. Court of Appeals, 10th Circuit, Denver. Because of perceived prejudice against a fair trial in Oklahoma, the case had been transferred to Denver U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch. Prior to the beginning of the trial, Jones was attempting to force Judge Matsch to order the release of secret records in the possession of U.S. intelligence agencies, corroborating that U.S. dissidents were secretly surrogates for an Iraqi revenge plot to carry out a major terrorist attack on an Oklahoma City federal office building. That these records, also referred to in secret court records, would show Iraqi complicity, as known in advance by U.S. intelligence agencies, as referred to in Jones' unpublicized Petition of some 185 pages.

The spy-riddled monopoly press did not bring out an important detail. Namely, that Judge Matsch was intimidated into keeping these records secret to protect the Clinton White House cover-up of the multiple bombings of the Murrah Building as well as protecting the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, and others of the spy agency Establishment. How? Judge Matsch's daughter was apparently murdered. She somehow fell into a volcano in Hawaii. This apparent murder made the Judge naturally distraught. The apparent murder example also was known to and intimidated the Federal Appeals Judges in Denver who after the McVeigh murder trial, conducted without these highly revealing records, upheld the District Court's guilty verdict of McVeigh. So both the trial judge and the federal appeals Judges in Denver had been coerced into going along with a cover up by murder close to home.

Will trial Judge Matsch and/or the federal appeals judges, all apparently intimidated by the apparent murder, do something at this late date to bring out the true nature of the bombings of a federal office building in Oklahoma City?

2. The apparent split in the FBI by which some three thousand records suddenly showed up also involves the super-secret Federal Emergency Management Agency, FEMA. Seldom accurately referred to by the pressfakers, FEMA is not authorized OR FUNDED by Congress. According to very well placed sources, FEMA secretly funds their covert operations, planning to run the U.S. FROM ABOVE THE U.S. CONSTITUTION, with huge funds garnered from the CIA's dope trafficking into the U.S. Vice President Richard Cheney has promoted the idea that FEMA should take over all anti-terrorist planning of the U.S., thus excluding the FBI, and causing a rift between the FBI and FEMA. Yes, FEMA seeks to run the U.S. from ABOVE the U.S. Constitution and yes, I recognize such a doing is itself unconstitutional.

[The martial law edict, quietly signed several years ago by President Clinton and carried over by alleged "President" or White House "resident" George W. Bush, provides---now get this---that no judge in the U.S. has jurisdiction to consider any challenge to the martial law edict. We are about the only ones publicly stating that several federal judges in the U.S. wear two hats---one as federal judge, and two, generally unknown, as FEMA official. One such judge sits in the Federal Court in Chicago. We pointed all these details out in a several hundred page documented lawsuit, in January, 1991, against FEMA, in Chicago's Federal District Court. Yes, a federal judge on behalf of FEMA dismissed our suit in secret, without any legal formality.]

3. Despite the military coup planned against Clinton as President, referred to in our story, Clinton was never concerned. Why? Because he had reason to know that his rise to and stay in power was orchestrated with the aid of blackmail and murder. We mentioned how supposed "Independent Counsel" Kenneth W. Starr was blackmailed. Clinton benefitted from an epidemic of suspicious if not sabotaged military aircraft crashes and from the strange death of those who knew too much about Clinton and about the military coup plot against him.

One of those who knew too much and was reportedly sympathetic if not supportive of the coup, was General David McCloud, head of he Alaska Military District. He died in a sabotaged plane crash. His military colleagues are aware of the terrible details but refuse to allow a reporter to publicly identify them or take their position public. His relatives tend to agree with our details.

4. Some in the monopoly press, who talk to us off the record and we agree never to identify them as sources, contend such details as in our stories, which they believe to be true but cannot go in print or on the air with them, could well topple the U.S. government. Why? Because the ruling elite, whose faces are seldom seen, are governing us from behind the scenes in contradiction of the U.S. Constitution and laws.

5. Is there a rationale by the ruling elite for the cover up of the true nature of the bombings of the Murrah Building? They fear, supposedly, a full scale war with Iraq which now has chemical and biological weapons as well as some types of nuclear bomb devices. Furthermore, any ruckus with Iraq over the Murrah Building inevitably would involve the current German government Establishment. Why? A German counter-intelligence agent, on behalf of Iraq, supervised the U.S. domestic dissidents in the limited role outside the Murrah Building while others had already planted explosive devices INSIDE the building to go off about the same moment as the ineffective truck fertilizer bomb outside. That agent,known to the American CIA, reportedly was Andreas Strasmeier, whose elders reportedly were pro-Hitler. Little understood German industry has supplied much of the weaponry for Iraq. And, they built a 60-foot-under-the-ground bomb shelter for Saddam Hussein as well as other super-secret buildings, machines, and weaponry for Iraq. All while Germany professes to be pro-West and pro-U.S.

Also, in our stories about the murder of Clinton White House Deputy Counsel Vincent W. Foster, Jr., we mentioned that German Counter-Intelligence [also tied to Strasmeir] in Frankfurt, had advance knowledge of a foreign team set to murder Foster. [See our website stories, "Greenspan Aids and Bribes Bush", Part Four.] And study our website story about how Foster was part of a team, trying to assist the FBI, in arresting international swindler Marc Rich, at the Swiss/French border [Affidavit of former CIA operative Leo Wanta.]

In an honest world, if McVeigh is to be severely punished for his limited role in the bombings, also deserving of major punishment would be William Rockefeller Clinton and his crony, George W. Bush, as well as the Elder Bush, George Herbert Walker Bush, for their cover up complicity in the 168 murders on behalf of Iraq.

6. Timothy McVeigh, a purported expert in secret code usage, cryptography, has been communicating in code with author Gore Vidal who was on an extremely short list of those McVeigh wanted to witness his supposed execution. {Study Gore Vidal's book "1876" and how it predicted the strange 2000 election. See our website series on the year 2000 alleged election.] Gore Vidal, a third level cousin of Albert Gore, Jr.,[they are on the outs with each other] reportedly has a witnessed Affidavit from Timothy McVeigh supposedly setting forth "smoking gun" details that could scandalize the American government and Presidents George Herbert Walker Bush, Bill Clinton, and Bush's son, George W.

How is it that high-level types are so dedicated to destroying and discrediting the American central government? Isn't this something the British monarchy and aristocracy have been trying to do since at least the War of 1812? And British complicity in the murders of President Abraham Lincoln, President James Garfield, and President William McKinley, all who opposed the British plans to take back this continent and its peoples as subjects of a British colonial rule.

[Visit our website series, "Greenspan Aids and Bribes Bush", to which are attached secret Federal Reserve wire transfer records showing billions and billions of dollars, from worldwide illicit dope trafficking and such, to the joint account of the Bush family with the Queen of England at her private bank, owned by the Queen, Coutts Bank London, as authorized under the secret codes of Greenspan.]

Timothy said...

First I'm not Timothy McVeigh. Secondly, the OKC Bombing was a wicked attack. In the near future, I will expose it as such. Now, McVeigh is dead as he was executed in 2001. I will not turn my blog into a pro-terrorism site at all. Terrorism by the government is wrong and terrorism by McVeigh was also wrong.

By Timothy

Andrea Murrhteyn said...

Was Timothy McVeigh Really Executed?
Rixon Stewart

No really, that’s a serious question. For throughout the whole OKC bombing saga the mainstream media has ignored some serious inconsistencies.

For example: some of those killed in the Oklahoma City bombing were not killed in the blast itself but died later in highly suspicious circumstances. One such was Mike Loudenslager who was responsible for saving the lives of many children in the Murrah Building’s day care centre.

In the weeks prior to the actual bombing, Loudenslager, a GSA employee, had been complaining about the large amounts of ordinance and explosives being brought into the building by the B.A.T.F. and D.E.A, who had offices there. Others had been complaining too, including the building’s security director who filed a formal compliant and promptly lost his job. Thereafter fire marshals were denied access to the building when they arrived to inspect some remodelling that had been done to the day care centre.

Fearing the worst, Loudenslager and the day care operator began warning the children’s parents not to bring their children into the building. Had they not done so, the death toll probably would have been far higher.

Shortly after the actual bombing, Loudenslager was seen by many witnesses, including police officers and rescue workers, involved in a very “heated” confrontation. Much of his anger being due to the fact that he felt that the B.A.T.F. and D.E.A. were responsible for the extent of the blast damage.

However to the astonishment of those who had seen him in the immediate aftermath of the bombing, it was later reported that Loudenslager was found at his desk, a victim of the 9:02 A.M. bombing. This was reported only AFTER he had been seen alive and well by numerous rescue workers. Despite this he is now on the official list of victims claimed by the blast.

His death was to play a part in the demise of two others, Dr. Don Chumley and Terry Yeakey, both of who were at the Murrah Building that fateful morning. They had something else in common too; at the time of their deaths each had been trying to deliver evidence that Loudenslager was alive AFTER the bombing which is said to have killed him.

Terry Yeakey met his demise whilst delivering evidence to a multi-county task force that, he thought, would establish the truth about the Oklahoma City bombing. Whilst Dr. Chumley was killed some months earlier, when his personal jet “crashed”, attempting to do the same. Meanwhile the mainstream media has ignored compelling evidence contrary to the official line that McVeigh acted alone in delivering a truck carrying a fertilizer bomb to the Murrah Building. Yet literally hundreds have attested otherwise.

One such is retired Air Force Brigadier General Benton K. Partin, former head of the U.S. Air Force Armament Technology Laboratory. His request that the bombsite be preserved for further investigation was completely ignored by the U.S. Government; instead the site was covered over three weeks ahead of schedule, effectively burying the remaining forensic evidence.

Moreover many eyewitnesses reported not one, but two explosions, and this is a certifiable fact. Investigations at the Oklahoma Geological Survey at the University of Oklahoma revealed seismographic records indicating two explosions, ten seconds apart. The first occurred at 9: 02 and 13 seconds with another following at 9:02 and 23 seconds. According to General Partin and many explosive experts that investigator Ted Gunderson has spoken to, this rules out the explanation of a truck bomb.

A more plausible explanation, they say, is a barometric bomb. This works via a process that involves not one but two explosions; the first uses an explosive known as PETN which releases a lethal cloud of chemicals, ammonium nitrate and aluminium silicate. This cloud is energised with what is described as a “high potential electrostatic field.” A few seconds later there follows another blast using an explosive called PDTN that ignites the cloud created with a much greater force than TNT.

This would account for the two blasts heard by witnesses and it would also explain the extensive damage caused by the explosion. However such a bomb would be beyond the scope of a supposed ‘lone nut’ like Timothy McVeigh. In fact knowledge of how to construct such a device is available to only a few with the highest level of security clearance because the barometric bomb is still highly classified. In other words only those with a high level of security clearance in the U.S. Government and security services would have access to the know how to construct such a device.

Not only did McVeigh not have such clearance but he didn’t have the necessary know how to make such a device himself. All of which suggests that McVeigh was not the bomber but a patsy, a fall guy who was lined up to take the rap for the bombing. And his reward? A place in the history books with a new life and a clean bill of health after his “execution” maybe? Significantly, by court order there was no autopsy and no cremation of his body after execution, this despite the fact that both are standard practise for executed prisoners. Moreover according to reporters covering the execution, McVeigh seemed remarkably calm. So there were no last minute nerves, no clinical autopsy, no cremation and maybe no body too?

McVeigh during his trial.And in a final ironic twist McVeigh’s death certificate – if authentic - lists him a “soldier” and his employer as the US Army.

Yet he supposedly left the US Army back in 1993.

Sources include: brasscheck, Team Infinity, and

Sgt. McVeigh was an outstanding soldier. He did what he was told, anticipated what had to be done (and) took pride in his work," - Capt. Jesus Angel Rodriguez, McVeigh's commanding officer during the Gulf War, testifying at his sentencing hearing

“The shallow breathing continued... or what appeared to be shallow breathing... even after they pronounced him dead.” - Susan Carlson reporting on McVeigh’s execution for WLS Chicago, broadcast minutes after the sentence was carried out.

Postscript. The above was first posted on rumormillnews, a forum often used by dissident US government insiders. One anonymous respondent wrote that he had personally heard McVeigh being told that: “they wouldn’t let him die inside.”

Timothy said...

Certainly, the official government story about OKC Bombing is a sham. You and others have conclusively proven this. Even Elohim City was an FBI infiltrated group.

By Timothy

Timothy said...

Your words: So, perhaps you may wish to stop hiding behind 'anonymous' handles, making accusations against others, you yourself may be guilty of; and put YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS, huh?

My Response: I don't hid behind anonymous. My name is ever shown on the Internet. I just don't use multiple handles on the Net and go into false accusations though. Also, I'm not guilty of any terrorism whatsoever. You need to understand that I won't take false accusations thrown at me. I will respond to you. Not to mention legitimate dissent about issues has nothing to with showing false accusations against others. That's another false thing you point out include your pro-new world order overpopulation lie. I don't need to put my money where my mouth. You need to wake up and realize that absolutes exist and I'm not Timothy McVeigh at all.

By Timothy

By Timothy

Andrea Murrhteyn said...

Sans Authoritas (10:15 AM)

CC: Timothy 'TruthSeeker'

Isn't it strange how Americans are quite capable of understanding the rules of war, when it comes to McVeigh having killed Iraqi's (irrespective of whether they were 'guilty' or 'innocent'); and in fact understood these rules of war so well; McVeigh was given MEDALS FOR KILLING. McVeigh was a GULF WAR HERO!!

Then when it comes to him applying not only (I) GUERRYLLA RULES OF WAR, but (II) the instructions and orders AS TO HIS DUTY AND RIGHTS in accordance with the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; to his own Goverment, now he is NO LONGER A WAR HERO, DEFINATELY NOT AN AMERICAN PATRIOT....

But most Americans couldn't even have cared, that McVeigh should have been granted a free and fair trial!

That the US Goverment knew there was going to be an attack, and did not remove the children; is McVeigh's fault!

Why not blame it all on McVeigh? I mean he is being blamed for a hell of a lot, that was not his fault, so why just stop there?

Why not make public specatacles of crucifixions of 'useful idiots' who believe the shit written in the Constitution and Declaration of INdependence, and make it into a new financial fucking American Dream? Why not sell tickets to live executions of Patriots? Screw that ol syringe shit; bring back ol Sparky, and have some serious Light Up My Fire crucifixions; make it worth your while?

Forget all that shit about free and fair trials, and duties and responsibilities to hold your goverment accountable, and that constitutional fucking moronic crap....

Just tell Daddy Obama and Homeland Security, you are ready and waiting for your little computer chip, and you got your KY Jelly, and can grab hold of your ankles and you waiting for your Abner Louima 'Anal Waco Gene Vaccinations'.....

Understand why it is those queers get all excited about dry anal sex, with someone they ain't met...

The good ol commie liberals, are going to give you some existential kinesthetic Mao-ist education!

Bless their hearts...

Enjoy it fellas... Sorry you weren't interested in any alternatives perspectives for a co-created future...

Ah well... as I said "I was, and still am, a co-conspirator, in the Oklahoma City Bombing"