Tsarion is wrong about many things, as is his mentor Jordan Maxwell, who is finally being shown for the shill he is. A name is a name: its descriptive. It can be as easily drawn from the region the people of the faith inhabited as anything else. The word Jew relates to racial Jews primarily & then those of them who practice Judaism. Confusing, but this is a fairly unique situation, but that's how it is.
Those Jews who stop practicing the religion of their ancestors, as outlined in the Torah, fall into apostasy & either become heretics, like the Sabbateans & their successors the Frankists or secularists, the former largely paving the way for the flourishing of the latter hand in hand with its derivative political ideolgy Labor Zionism, which Hitler allowed to flourish from 1933 while crushing all other forms of Zionism - around 250 other organisations banned. This Labor Zionism being Marxist-inspired & thus of a materialist nature & also being the advance guard for the creation of Israel for the benefit of Rome.
So we have racial Jews who can be observed as being either religious Jews, secular Jews or heretical Jews. In fact this can be seen as a circle with overlaps.
Religious Jews are Torah-faithful Jews.
Torah-faithful Jews who are also observing the Talmud encyclopedia of Babylonianism then fall into one end of heresy from Torah-faithful Judaism. They are Talmudic Jews.
The other side of the heretical Jewish segment is Frankist-Sabbateanism which survived via the Donmeh of Turkey & has connections with the Ottoman Turkish Freemasonry (derived from the Rite of Memphis) associated with Rudolf von Sebottendorf later a leading Thule Society member & founded the German Workers Party which Hitler turned into the Nazis.
Kind of going off on a tangent here, but it has been claimed that CIA asset Fethullah Gulen & Harun Yahya now lead two competing branches of Ottoman Turkish Freemasonry, which as leading Muslims (& in the case of the latter publicly an antimason - as was the high-level Mason Hitler, who targeted Blue lodge Masonry) shows how the infiltrating elite have one system for themselves & another for everyone else & do away with any leaders who truly have any empathy with the common people faithwise & in terms of unhindered social potential.
Sabbateans can take the outward appearance of Jews, Catholics, Muslims & possibly even Protestants - although the latter is less likely as the black lodge papal-loyal Masons & Jesuits have that covered.
Secular Jews - if of the elites - are at the highest levels descended either ideologically & often genetically from the Frankists & Sabbataians. They can be either Ashkenazim or Sephardim, mostly Ashkenazi though. If of the common people, then they are usually merely lapsed & not vehement heretics per se.
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what would we call self titled judaics who reject the Talmud but don't hold Jesus as their messiah? Israelites?
Torah-faithful Jews or non-Talmudic Torah-faithful Jews or even simply Jews with no need to add a prefix to. This is only really necessary for Secular Jews, Talmudic Jews & Heretical Jews (the province of the Sabbateans/Sabbataians).
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Troy
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Any Jew who is a Roman Catholic convert is immediately under suspicion. Go ask any Jew! Barry Chamish will tell you. The idea for non-Sabbateans is preposterous.
For the kind who do then read here:
http://biblesearchers.com/reflections/2004/augustkerry.shtml
The Jesuits & are a religious-military order, as are the SMOM & the Constantinian Order. They have a war against Protestantism, called the Counter-Reformation, as you well know. They also have a war against Judaism & Islam. Most obvious examples being the Holocaust & the so-called War on Terror. Lies about Judaism & Jesus are two obvious counterintelligence tools & ones best delivered by racially Jewish Judaism-hating Catholic converts - like Freedman. Big difference between that & Jonesco, who Eric, Craig & myself included acknowledgingly quote, eating the meat & spitting out the bones as Eric likes to say - while not shying from exposing those SMOM connections, etc.
You say, quoting me initially:
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& if Craig does from this point on promote Freedman, knowing his covert Frankist-Sabbataian pro-Vatican agenda, then I would call him out on it too.
Try not using vague, general language. Try being more precise. That way, you will realize that Craig doesn't "promote Freedman." Saying he promotes Freedman makes it sound like he believes everything Freedman says about the kosher mafia that started world war two for example and Craig doesn't believe that.
There is nothing vague about the language, man. More precise? Why? don't you understand definitive terms? I haven't said that Craig promotes Freedman! I wouldn't know everyone that he has or hasn't "promoted" (vague term that - not very precise! - L.O.L.!!): I don't spend my life on other people's forums, although I am happy to drop by for the occassional exchange.
What I said was that if he went around - like you - promoting Freedman (which as I state above, I don't know that he has before) from this point on (seeing as he no doubt will be reading this exchange), then I will call him out on it & say why are you referencing & quoting the counterintelligence propaganda of that agent of Rome, Ben Freedman. Are you ProThink's doppleganger? That's what I would say!
Why is an abbreviation a misuse? This is a "logical" fallacy. The term in Hebrew, in the Torah, is "Yehudi"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymology_of_the_word_Jew#Biblical_and_Middle_Eastern_origins:_The_Jews_in_their_land
The Jewish ethnonym in Hebrew is יהודים Yehudim (plural of יהודי Yehudi) which is the origin of the English word Jew. The Hebrew name is derived from the region name Judah (Yehudah יהודה). Originally the name referred to the territory alloted to the tribe descended from Judah the fourth son of the patriarch Jacob (Numbers). Judah was one of the twelve sons of Jacob and one of the Twelve tribes of Israel(Genesis). The Genesis 29:35 relates that Judah's mother — the matriarch Leah — named him Yehudah (i.e. "Judah") because she wanted to "praise God" for giving birth to so many sons: "She said, 'This time let me praise (odeh אודה) God (יהוה),' and named the child Judah (Yehudah יהודה)." Thus combining "praise" and "God" into one new name. Thereafter Judah vouchsafes the Jewish monarchy, and the Israelite kings David and Solomon derive their lineage from Judah. After the splitting of the United Monarchy, the name was used for the southern kingdom of Judah, containing not only the land of the tribe of Judah but also that of Benjamin and Simeon. With the destruction of the northern kingdom of Israel and the exile of Ten tribes, the kingdom of Judah became the sole Jewish state and the term y'hudi (יהודי) was applied to all the Jews left.
In Hebrew, the name "Judah" (י ה ו [ד] ה) contains the four letters of the Tetragrammaton — the special, holy, and ineffable name of the Jewish God. The very holiness of the name of Judah attests to its importance as an alternate name for "Israelites" that it ultimately replaces.
In the Book of Esther we find the earliest reference of the word "Jew" being used. The name appears in the Bible in a verb form, in Esther 8:17 which states, Many of the people of the land "mityahadim - became Yehudim/Judeans/Jews" because the fear of the Yehudim fell on them. Also in Esther we find that the name "Jew" is given to a man from the tribe of Benjamin, in Esther 2:5-6, There was a man a Yehudi (Judean/Jewish man) in Shushan the capital, whose name was Mordecai the son of Jair the son of Shimei the son of Kish, a Benjamite; who had been exiled from Jerusalem with the exile that was exiled with Jeconiah, king of Judah, which Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, had exiled.
The most common view is that the Middle English word Jew is from the Old French giu, earlier juieu, from the Latin Iudaeus from the Greek Ἰουδαῖος. The Latin simply means Judaean, from the land of Judaea. In the Old English the word is attested as early as 1000 in various forms, such as Iudeas, Gyu, Giu, Iuu, Iuw, Iew.
What could be clearer? This is the true, scholarly facts - not the Babylonian Vatican babblings of Ben "Romish" Freedman.
Thanks -
Troy
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