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Acts 17:26 "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation"
Now if you take that to mean that "interracial" marriage is wrong, then how can you justify a Frenchman marrying an Englishman? Because what is being addressed is not black vs. white. It is saying ALL nations, not just a few.
By such an interpretation, then the entire Book of Ruth is a story of bad "interracial marriage", rather than a beautiful story of redemption.
Futhermore, Noah did curse Canaan. But the Canaanites are gone, you won't find any anymore. That's where I differ strongly with Phelps. Present-day African people are not Canaanites.
-tkr
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Racism is wrong. Sylph, I don't worry about some of the degatory comments. The reason is I know my real history, no one can deny me my history, and I know the truth about society. There are good and bad people of every race and background. I'm confortable in my own skin, so I'm not worry about anything anyone says about my race. I believe in God and God's role in history to improve any people if they have reliance on him. Earlier I wrote long responses about racism.
As for Obama, I don't use unfair hatred for him. I and others just outline evidence in disagreement with his policies. That isn't illegal nor immoral.
I don't agree with everyone's views on race, but this is a forum of ideas. I don't agree with my relatives on every issue. The best thing to do is to respond with your ideas about exposing racism. Also, Alexandria, you know that some whites have called blacks every name under the same for centuries (before blacks in significant numbers have called whites these evil names you cites. Those names came in existence in only 150+ years. Still, saying degatory names about whites and blacks are wrong since we shouldn't show filthy communication out of our mouths. Even in anger, I don't use profanity or degatory language). So racism is a two way street.
By Timothy
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But again, this verse isn't saying that it's okay for Japeth to marry Japeth even, if you're attempting to use this verse in that way. Your attempt to use it in that way would then be saying that NATIONS are to be split, and that means the Frenchman is wrong for marrying the Englishman, if that is the way you're attempting to use that verse.
Genesis says that from Japeth, Shem, and Ham come the NATIONS. And Acts 17:26 is talking about NATIONS, not Japeth, Shem, and Ham.
So you can't use that verse that way.
And really, like I said, there is so much good work being done here. This just pollutes the water. I would love to recommend the Vatican Assassins website and general discussion to people that are open about the catholic/Vatican issues, but I can't recommend it, because of this people group thing, because those I lead to it all will close the door immediately.
And I hope that through this discussion that, you would at least see that, attempting to use these verses in this way that you're attempting to do, puts together a very weak argument for you.
Because, very few are going to agree with you on this (like me, who doesn't agree with you at all). But far more are going to be open to hear what you have to say about catholicism, and boy do they need to hear it.
-tkr
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Theresa: And that was the issue in Hosea: idolatry. It wasn't ever saying that the people groups shouldn't intermarry. It was that sometimes (not always), it led to idolatry. Under the law (which nobody is under today), idolatry was being prevented by keeping the Jews separate, so the Jews would be the Light to the nations. It wasn't prohibiting anything as far as intermarriage. No Bible verse ever says any such thing is prohibited.
Timothy: Agreed. And see, the Jesuits have done exactly what they wanted. Got one group of people blaming the other, and vice versa, through their Jesuit "laws" and edicts on society.
And instead of acting like their puppets, we all ought to reject the Jesuit "rules" completely.
-tkr
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QUOTE (Alexandra @ Nov 6 2008, 04:29 PM)
Obama is for abortion and we all know about black genocide via abortion. These people that voted for him based on race only are doing themselves a disservice IMO. Just as bad as Christians voting for Bush because he might wave a Bible.
I agree with you on this point. Obama is no friend to black people (or anyone). He is working for the destruction of all people via abortion.
-tkr
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QUOTE (theresa @ Nov 6 2008, 04:41 PM)
UPDATE: God's Law is ALWAYS Supreme, though the Catholic/government/apostate churches have created Laws to supplant GODS law. The popes declare themselves the Vicar of Christ which is the biggest LIE OF ALL TIME! Personally, I believe government interference in Marriage Covenant is a sin as it's clearly a sort of 'confession' to the papal beast system. Marriage should only be between the Husband, Wife and God. Man's laws kill by legislation. They killed our government based on God's Laws.
I agree with you on this. Marriage is between the man, woman, and God.
Look at Isaac and Rebekah. Isaac brought Rebekah into his tent, and she became his wife. No government paperwork. No government license. No "minister" even. No ceremony either!
That's not to say a ceremony is bad, because it isn't bad. But the government involvement is bad, and that government involvement is catholic in origin.
As for the Jews, they are going to look upon Him whom they pierced, as the Bible says. They are not forsaken of God. God will never leave them. Romans chapters 9, 10, and 11 make that clear. Believing Gentiles are indeed grafted into the Jews, by faith in Jesus.
I never allow anyone to tell me that "the Jews are to blame" blah blah blah, and as soon as a person goes down that road, I dismiss that person's contribution, so don't worry, I never fall for that The truth is that the Jews are being set up by the catholic cult, to take the blame for what catholicism does.
The issue I am against and the issue I don't agree with at all, is this argument that black people are somehow "Canaan" or that they are somehow "lower in intelligence" or that they are somehow "savages" and that sort of thing. I reject that completely.
And the KJV is indeed THE Bible. It is the standard that I use to preach, teach, and learn from.
-tkr
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trk--We've discussed this on a Christian board Theresa and I are on. Naturally some Catholics came and claimed that if you don't use a minister (or priest) then you're fornicating. They're already a pretty screwed-up bunch as it is.
If you and a person of the opposite sex declare yourselves to be husband and wife--you are! Even people just "shacking up" don't consider themselves married...they say they're not. They don't want to make the full commitment.
No license should be required. The wedding is merely a celebration of that commitment.
-Alexandria
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QUOTE (Alexandra @ Nov 6 2008, 05:14 PM)
If you and a person of the opposite sex declare yourselves to be husband and wife--you are!
Very true! Oh how the catholics hate such power being removed from their hands, when people are brought to the light of truth in the Bible with such issues as these!
-tkr
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All Caananites aren't blacks. Also Noah never cursed Ham. Noah cursed Caanan. Also, blacks are not under a curse since Noah didn't curse black Africans at all. That blacks being cursed lie was the excuse to dehumanize black people. The curse of the Canaanites were fulfilled when the Israelites ruled over Canaan and during the new covenant. Alexandria, you can't cite a single verse outlining that. Also, the Canaanites today no longer exist or mixed with other tribes in North Africa and the Middle East. The NT cites that Jesus Christ ended the curse of the Law from Galatians 3:13. Therefore, any human can be saved by God irrespective of their background. In other words, the curse of the law is dead by Jesus Christ.
By Timothy
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