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So AMD, One last question before we end another brilliant converstaion, just out of curiousity........ is GeoLiberterian a Fascist too, or is he a Socio Stazi? Or a Zio Nazi?
Just asking because he and i essentially believe in the same EXACT economic fundamentals . Is Geo's policy of infrastructure investment fascism? socialism?
Or is just a policy you disagree with and decide to make up an absurd name for like dozens of other posters ideals? Oh but you do not attack him, you only attack certain people, why i have no idea.
By the way, if you would like the real reason why FDR had to put the FED into bankrupty and de-couple it from gold, here is a teriffic quote that sums the whole situation up:
"My investigation convinced me that during the last quarter of a century the average production of gold has been falling off considerably. The gold mines of the world are practically exhausted. There is only about $11,000,000,000 in gold in the world, with the United States owning a little more than four billions. We have more than $100,000,000,000 in debts payable in gold of the present weight and fineness. . . As a practical proposition these contracts cannot be collected in gold for the obvious reason that the gold supply of the entire world is not sufficient to make payment."
-- Congressional Record, Congressman Dies, March 15, 1933.
Is that rubber glue bs? whatever that means, in your dictionary of illiteracy
-Revolt 426
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I would also point to the masses of disinformation about Rothschild that are posted on the net, such as his family was started by Mayar Rothschild, who was a poor jew from the ghetto *LOL*.
The Rothschild family has a Bloodline that dates back to the Roman Empire and the Oligarchs of Venice.
I am sure you are aware of much of the nonsense that is available on the Internet.
BTW in actuality - i would prefer a Lincoln Economic approach over FDR however when Lincoln was elected President our country was not in the "Great Depression". They are quite similar in actuallity other then the FED being there, but as i said, FDR Put the FED into bankruptcy and all decisions were made by a Bankruptcy Court hence allowing him to monetize federal credit and open windows to the actual economy thereby bypassing the Commercial Banks that were hoarding cash, just as they are now.
-Revolt 426
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http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=83352.0
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=84736.0
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Like i said - there is conflicting information about Pearl Harbor.
I didn't say i knew one way or another.
As for his plan - you certainly were not alive in the 1930's, and i respectfully disagree with you.
Certain aspects of his plan certainly did fail
Cetain aspects of his plan worked rather well actually
I've read just about all material possible for both sides of the arugment and i am entitled to my opinion. You can quote the entire 1933 Congressional Records , i've already read most of them (Yes McThadden too).
When JP Morgan and a group of bankers ( A Group of Fascists) attempt to assassinate and overthrow a president, then that president goes to war with Fascists, i find it hard to believe the President IS a Fascist.
The population, (Who were not as stupid back then) elected Roosevelt 4 times, more then any other President in History.
There is MASSIVE disinformation about him on the net.
however - i see your points and i agree there were certain policies that were detrimental, what most do not understand is the New Deal was partially experimental. It had never been done before on such a large scale, it was a mimic of Abraham Lincolns Economic Policies with some Social aspects and some other aspects.
The plan however as a whole, did NOT fail - the argument that World War 2 saved the economy is the biggest failure i've ever heard. We've been at war numerous times in this country and it has never brought us out of a Depression nor brought us prosperity.
Some aspects of the plan did prolong the Depression, but i dont judge FDR by the results of his failed policies i judge him by his intention and overall effect.
The Fundamental policies FDR used that i agree with are:
#1 Putting the FED into bankruptcy , because it had issued 100 billion dollars in Gold Convertable notes during the prior 2 administrations and only had 4 Billion in their Reserves - That is called being insolvent and the law says when a Bank goes insolvent you put it into bankruptcy. In our current situation infact, if we do not put the FED and entire system into bankruptcy the Derivative bubble will destroy civilization.
#2 Using the Bankrupt FED to monetize Federal Credit for use in Infrastructure investments - Lincoln always said Labour is prior and superior to capital. That means each dollar monetized for infrastructure had labour attached to it - that gives a currency real value , not a piece of metal.
#3 The Bretton Woods System, Fixed Exchange Rate system that prevented a single economic bubble from occuring from 1944-1971. The dollar was anchored by gold thus FIXING all exchange rates. This also prevents Imperialist Currency Speculators from driving down third world currencies, or "Shorting" them.
He also enstated Social Security, why? because Old people who were robbed of their life savings (like today!) were broke and starving to death......... Now, i am not a socialist but i can UNDERSTAND WHY he did something like that.
Things i disagree with about FDR:
1# Price fixing in the Agriculture Markets to stop deflation which failed.
2# his attempt to "Pack" the Supreme Court (Although i again realize, the Supreme court was full of traitors from the prior THREE administrations) i am still against that idea.
As for the actual conduct of World War 2, I wasn't in the Whitehouse nor alive at the time - and last i heard we won. There is too much disinformation on the internet and real information in books so i dont go ahead and "GOOGLE" FDR and think i know everything about him. The same goes for numerous other Presidents and policitians.
Generally, the only people who vehemently oppose FDR are Austrians, a school that i could not disagree any more with when it comes to Economics.
If you want to crucify me for having similar views about FDR to that of Webster Tarpley, then go Crucify him also. He is actually, a Historian... that is his JOB, that has been his Job for most of his life. He Documents history, and i happen to agree with alot of what he says.
-Revolt 426
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Druglibrary.org eh?
People need to learn that there is disinformation on the internet. And debate me on FDR's policies if you are so sure of yourself, go list them one by one.
You are posting this sourceless nonsense when infact, FDR put the bankers into banktuptcy reorganization and they didn't like it.
After the first assassination attempt on him prior to his inuaguration that failed, .... They attemped a fascist coup de tat, that everybody knows about via smeldy butler and the Dickenstein McCormick commissions.
You are posting distorted history, that is a fact. What do you call socialism?
Social Security? well , that was enacted because elderly people were starving to death.
Food Stamps?
Building infrastructure to prevent a thermodynamic meltdown of the nation and martial law via federal lending?.
Regulating and prosecuting the speculators that caused the Depression including cheif architect, Andrew Mellon.
If you think that is Socialism, you dont know what Socialism is.
-Revolt 426
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REALITY: A select few people in this forum are completely delusional and think they can grasp history by using the CIA RUN GOOGLE SEARCH ENGINE, Including the person who has an obsessive fettish with lambasting FDR when he hasn't the SLIGHEST CLUE what FDR actually did, which is avert a TOTAL ECONOMIC COLLAPSE, which means MARTIAL LAW and the END OF THE UNITED STATES. So, now as we FACE A FAR GREATER DISASTER, 3 Famous People in American History have been SLANDERED to prevent people from LOOKING at what they ACTUALLY DID, including Alexander Hamilton, Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt, who ALL USED THE SAME ECONOMIC POLICY.. So you have some kind of Anti-FDR Fettish based on LIES, the very same LIES that presume Andrew Jackson was a HERO when infact he wiped out the US economy and paved the way for the Civil War, the Very same LIES that accuse Hamilton of being a British Traitor, the Very same LIES that slander LINCOLN.
If you are unable to do anything other then copy/paste horse shit, then i think people will realize this.
There is HOARDS of disinformation all over the internet, and consiquently we have COPY/PASTER researchers whom haven't the slightest IDEA what they are yapping about, since they are copy/pasting SOURCELESS OR PROPAGATED information. In particular AMITY SHLAES, a character from the CFR and American Enterprise Institute
REALITY:
SOCIALISM: When the Government SEIZES MEANS OF PRODUCTION
REALITY:
FDR NEVER DID THAT
REALITY:
The ALTERNATIVE to the TRADING WITH THE ENEMY ACT was the COLLAPSE OF THE UNITED STATES. The FEDERAL RESERVE, ON THE GOLD STANDARD, issued 100 BILLION dollars in Gold Convertable Notes with 4 Billion in Gold. There was a RUN ON THE FED SYSTEM, People were HOARDING GOLD, and it HAD TO BE PUT INTO BANKRUPTCY and DECOUPLED FROM GOLD;
Quote
public right to know. Read the following Congressional quote:
"My investigation convinced me that during the last quarter of a century the average production of gold has been falling off considerably. The gold mines of the world are practically exhausted. There is only about $11,000,000,000 in gold in the world, with the United States owning a little more than four billions. We have more than $100,000,000,000 in debts payable in gold of the present weight and fineness. . . As a practical proposition these contracts cannot be collected in gold for the obvious reason that the gold supply of the entire world is not sufficient to make payment."
-- Congressional Record, Congressman Dies, March 15, 1933.
REALITY:
FDR HAD NO INVOLVENMENT IN PEARL HARBOR, which was orchestrated by the BRITISH and MOLES in the NAVY.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=88303
Webster G. Tarpley Debunks Pearl Harbor Myths (And British Spy Ring EXPOSED)
REALITY
AN ECONOMY cannot FUNCTION without INFRASTRUCTURE (Without a ROAD you cannot TRANSPORT goods, WITHOUT POWER you cannot have a FACTORY).
FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT put ALL INSOLVENT BANKS into BANKRUPTCY after his FIRST DAY IN OFFICE, including the FEDERAL RESERVE and USED IT to monetize FEDERAL LOANS to rebuild the NATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE, which had been DESTROYED from 1901 to 1932.
Example; The Tennesse Valley Authority provided power to rural farms when the PRIVATE SECTOR WAS BANKRUPT, and RE-INDUSTRIALIZED the AREA.
REALITY:
The AMERICAN LIBERTY LEAGUE, Funded by JP Morgan, The DuPonts, The Rockefellers and the gang, attempted to assassinate and OVERTHROW FDR.
Link WITH SOURCES
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2006/3332morgan_coup_plot.html
The Morgan Fascist Coup Plot
and How FDR Defeated It
REALITY:
FDR Argued with Churchill over British Imperialism on numerous occasions, here is ONE witnessed by FDR's SON ELLIOT ROOSEVELT;
http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2007/2007_1-9/2007_1-9/2007-7/pdf/7-8_707_feat-2.pdf
REALITY:
The American Liberty League , EXPOSED BY SMEDLY BUTLER quite obviously did NOT COOPERATE with FDR, considering they tried to KILL HIM.
LINK WITH SOURCES:
http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/all-both.html
Lurking in the background behind the plot to oust FDR was the American Liberty League, a pro-business think-tank and ultra-right wing lobby group. Its treasurer was Jerry MacGuire’s boss, Grayson Murphy, a leading J.P. Morgan broker. One of its top donors was Robert Clark, who also tried to recruit General Smedley Butler into the conspiracy to oust President Franklin D. Roosevelt.
General Butler testified to the MacCormack-Dickstein Committee that when he asked whether anything was “stirring” with regards to Jerry MacGuire’s wealthy backers’ plans for a “superorganization” to coordinate the coup against FDR, MacGuire predicted the American Liberty League’s emergence, saying: “Yes, you watch; in two or three weeks you will see it come out in the paper. There will be big fellows in it. This is to be the background of it.”
-Revolt 426
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Some of FDR's ACTUAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS, as opposed to the NONSENSE in this thread.
http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2006/2006_10-19/2006-11/pdf/48-59_611_eco.pdf
The RFC financed (NOT SPENDING, LENDING) many other crucial infrastructure-public works programs. For example:
• It lent $145 million to 632 levee and irrigation districts in Illinois, Missouri, Florida, Mississippi, Colorado, California, and Texas, to enable these districts to remain solvent, and in many cases to construct water-management and floodcontrol projects.
• It disbursed $26 million to Chicago teachers, who had not been paid in nine months. This kept the schools open.
• It lent $209 million to construct the 244-mile Colorado River Aqueduct which conducts water from the Colorado River, obtained from Hoover Dam storage, across the mountains to Los Angeles, San Diego, and 26 smaller communities
in Southern California. Today, this aqueduct is the source for
much of the water supply of Los Angeles, America’s secondlargest
city.
• It lent $13 million to build a bridge over the Mississippi River at New Orleans.
• It lent $78 million to build the famous 1.5-mile San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge.
• It lent $1.9 million to Utica, N.Y., to build a waterworks system.
• It lent $35 million to the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission to build a 160-mile toll highway from Pittsburgh to Harrisburg, entailing the world’s deepest highway cut.
• It lent $8.1 million to build Knickerbocker Village, a low-rent housing development in New York City.
• It lent $5 million to construct a series of dams and canals along the upper Rio Grande River near Albuquerque, NewMexico.
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