*I don't agree with Eric on race, but I do agree with him on the Jesuits, SMOM, etc.
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Hi Eric,> >
I have no idea how you ever came up with the idea that the > Jesuits/Knights of Malta run the show, but I have to say that as far as > I am concerned they are still in the race.
Excellent!
Several months ago I sent you > an article about the intelligence group Le Cercle
A great article tying the Nazis with the Knights of Malta, among others.
and still today, even > though I don't know that much SMOM members, I keep seeing the close > connection between SMOM and intelligence.
Excellent.
In fact, SMOM/Jesuits also > seem to have a close connection to what Dr. Steven Greer is trying to > uncover, which is something I will focus on in the future.
Sounds interesting and most profitable.
Now that I've > written the following article: > http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/introduction.htm I can personally claim > that the pinnacle of economic and political power, 'mainstream' > Financial Empire intelligence, and the sustainable development movement > all tie into the Rockefeller-Rothschild empire, no doubt about that.
Financially, yes, as the Gentile Rockefellers and the Jewish Rothschilds are the Black Pope's Vatican bankers.
> > At the same time both Laurance Rockefeller (according to Steven Greer > who was invited to his ranch together with Clinton, a very very close > Rothschild buddy)
And Clinton was also a darling of the Jesuits at his alma mater, Georgetown University. He was an obedient Governor of Arkansas to his master conducting the CIA/Mafia drug trade in the White House, Ronald Reagan, whose advisors was Knight of Malta and DCI, William Casey, and Knight of Malta George H. W. Bush, whose son Prescott Bush, Jr. is also a Knight of Malta.
and the Queen of England ("There are powers at work in > this country about which we have no knowledge.") have claimed they are > not the top of the pyramid. The queen is a patron and active participant > in the Pilgrims Society, wife of a top figure in the 1001 Club, and her > closest associates in the 'top' levels of intelligence.
She is also the protector of the British Branch of the SMOM and curtsies to the Jesuits at Stonyhurst ruling the RIIA.
So the question > then becomes, who or what are they talking about?
The continuing destruction of the once White Protestant United Kingdom, subordinating those nations to the Temporal Power of the Papacy via the predominantly Roman Catholic European Union. And remember, the Jesuits have ruled Cambridge University for over a century, the same British Intelligence lair that hosted Anthony Blunt and Jesuit Bolshevik Theodore Maly---and SMOM Kim Philby, whose father, SMOM Sir John Philby, helped to enthrone Moslem Wahhabis (the Saud Dynasty) in 1932 as the Pope's visible Masonic masters of Mecca and Medina.
Did you know that Lord Guthrie of the Pilgrims is a member of > SMOM?
No, but thank you for the information. In fact, I am not aware of the history and power of Lord Guthrie.
He's the new N.M. Rothschild & Sons representative to the > Trilateral Commission, a former commander of the SAS, a former Chief of > the Defence Staff, a Gold Stick to the queen, and part-time unofficial > warmongerer for the Anglo-Saxon empire.
By his status, I completely believe it. He then is behind SMOM Tony Blair's Crusade in Iraq?
There's no way I can provide > evidence for it, but I wouldn't be surprized if a portion of the > SMOM-intelligence crowd keeps an eye on our globalist friends.
The SMOM rules every faction of the Black Pope's International Intelligence Community. Take a look at the past. SMOM Turkul was Sovet GRU; SMOM Menzies was MI6; SMOM Donovan was OSS, and after the war, SMOM Gehlen was CIA/BND.
Have to > look further into it, but I believe that Lawrance Rockefeller, according > to Greer, was talking about how his belief was that the human race was > under the influence of some interdimensional group of beings.
Lawrance Rockefeller, Jr., knows just who that group is and it is the master of New York City, the Society of Jesus via Fordham University controlling the Archbishop of New York, SMOM Edward Cardinal Egan who in turn rules the CFR and thus the US government.
And you > know, I wouldn't even be surprized at this point...> > [it's pretty much impossible to argue with the chart unless someone > wants to claim of course that all the membership lists are bogus and the > 3 primary organization on it do not exist. By the way, you don't have to > put on your email list as I won't be able to reads all these emails anyway]
Thanks for the chart. Keep up the great work.> >
Take care,> > Jxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sincerely in Faith,Brother Eric
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Dear Friends,Attached is a photo of 33rd Degree Freemason General Douglas MacArthur with his immediate master, Jesuit of the Fourth Vow, Edmund A. Walsh.MacArthur was one of the Order's chief spokesmen for the creation of "the Soviet Threat" and thus the Pope's Cold War. He sought to win in Korea: he landed at Inchong, left the destroyers on the beach where the tide rose and fell 40 feet, surprised and drove back the Chinese, thereby gaining a significant victory. In this action he opposed the Jesuit Order, its Soviet/Chinese Communsit Crusade in the Far East and its United Nations. Instead of killing the General as the Order had murdered General Patton, MacArthur was merely relieved of his command by the Order's most obedient 33rd Degree Freemason, CFR/President "Dirty Harry" Truman. Truman's master was Francis Cardinal Spellman---the thoroughly Jesuitized "American Pope" and JFK arch-assassin.
Sincerely in Faith,
Brother Eric
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From http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/organisations/Cercle/Dragons.htm
Note by Me: I don't believe in the Dragon genes, but I cite this information because of its telling of Le Cerle and other groups.
By TruthSeeker24 (Timothy)
Royals and nobles believe in Dragon genes?
Following are some additional thoughts about the transnational intelligence group Le Cercle and its links with the monarchist Templar organizations. This article doesn't imply that all the thousands and thousands of people involved with these organizations have anything to do with the international intelligence agencies and secret plots.May 2004, Andrew Bertie, head Sovereign Military Order of Malta worldwide, attends the wedding of the Spanish Crown Prince Felipe.King Juan Carlos of Spain is both a member of the Order of the Garteras well as from SMOM. He's also head of the Golden Fleece OrderLe Cercle is clearly managed by people representing the British Throne and some powerful interests in the City of London. Queen Elizabeth II is head of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem, an order descended from the Knights Hospitaller (which absorbed the possessions of the Knights Templar in the early 14th century). Another great influence on Le Cercle has been (and possibly still is) the Vatican's Sovereign Military Order of Malta (SMOM), also descended from the Knights Hospitaller. SMOM is headed by Andrew Bertie, descendent of Mary Stuart and a cousin of Queen Elizabeth II. One of the founders of Le Cercle was Otto von Habsburg (once heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne) who was the longtime president of the European Council of Princes.
This Council of Princes is now being headed by HRH Prince Michael Stewart. In the past, the Council has been funded by the CIA (because of its anti-communist sympathies), an intelligence agency set up and headed by members of the Knights of Malta. On the Stewart's / European Council of Princes' website you can see how the European Council of Princes, The Order of St. John of Jersualem, The Sovereign Military Order of Malta, the Ordo Draconis, Freemasonry, the Knights Hospitaller, and the Knights Templar are all intertwined with each other. A lot of people might have already read about this, but the fact that it's all published on an official website is quite extraordinary. Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem of Rhodesand of Malta, better known as the Knights of MaltaAfter reading some of the writings of Nicholas de Vere, I wondered if he carried the same ideas as the Stewarts or the other royal and noble families of Europe. De Vere claims in a lot of detail that an ancient (non-extraterrestrial) Dragon race once interbred with humanity.
A relatively small amount of people still carry their genes, which means they have a small difference in their genetic makeup. Of course, some people, like de Vere, have purer Dragon genes than others, which makes them much more wise than all the other ordinary peasants. It also gives them special powers (to communicate with god-knows-what) through the practice of royal witchcraft. In short, they're destined to rule, because common ordinary peasants don't have the ability to develop any of these special powers. But as usual there's a lot of infighting about who's got the most pure genes. And on top of that, de Vere accuses the Catholic church of having replaced the kings of Europe with ordinary humans and to have done everything in its power to destroy his Elven-Fairy-Vampiric-Archdruid-Dragon race.Most Venerable Order of St John of JerusalemYou might think de Vere is making everything up, but it is true that the extinct Earls of Oxford, who he claims he is a lateral descendant of, were among the bluest of blue blood family lines in England. Those that were introduced into the Knights of the Garter were the 9th Earl of Oxford in 1384, the 11th Earl of Oxford in 1415, the 13th Earl of Oxford in 1486, the 15th Earl of Oxford in 1527, and the 20th and last of the Earls of Oxford in 1660. The 20th Earl of Oxford, Aubrey de Vere, was also the last Earl to be a member of the Privy Council. In these positions they were close advisors to many kings and queens of England and were surrounded by families as Cavendish, Cecil, Spencer, Stuart/Stewart, Arundel, Plantagenet, and others. In many cases these families intermarried.
After reading de Vere used to be head of the British Dragon Court, I wanted to know if this was the same Dragon Court you can find on the website of the Stewarts. I certainly don't believe de Vere, or any other royal for that matter, is more divine than the common man in the street, but I find it very interesting that the nobles of the United Kingdom and the royal families of Europe might actually be interested in Dragon genes and the 'divine right to rule' concept. Can't remember I heard anything about this in my biology classes. From the website of the Ordo Draconis (Sarkany Rend), where Prince Michael Stewart is Grand Master of, we can read something that is very similar to what de Vere is claiming:
Dragon Court officers in New York city"...Shortly after this foundation, Szigmond was crowned Holy Roman Emperor in 1411 and, although the Court's ancient origins were steeped in pre-Christian lore, Pope Gregory XII was obliged to approve his Emperor's establishment, for the nature of the Dragon is such that its princely tradition surmounts the mundane constraints of denominational dispute. After all, King David, Solomon and even Jesus were all pre-Christian dynasts of the line."So, what this text is saying is that a person with the most pure (Dragon) genes is destined to rule. Religion doesn't matter. If I wouldn't have read this on the official website from the Royal House of Stewart & the Council of Princes I wouldn't have believed it that easily. Below, you can find two email correspondences with Sir John Reid, Secretary to HRH Prince Michael of Albany, and Erin D. Lindsey from the Dragoncourt.org. I asked them a bit about their views on the Knights Templar and the relationship between de Vere and the House of Stewart. You don't get too many answers, but they're still interesting.Question to the Royal House of Stewart:
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Dear Sir / Madam,I recently came across your website and became a bit confused. Forinstance, there seems to have been a debate going on forever if modernFreemasonry originated from the Templars. Yet, now I see that at theTemplar / Freemasonry section of your website that this notion has beenmore or less accepted. Is this true?And do the Knights of Malta have anything to do with the KnightsTemplar? The red crosses look very similar.Another thing I am very curious about is HRH Prince Nicholas de Vere vonDrakenberg. I read an interview with him in which he claims that hisbloodline, like those of many other nobles, is descended from theancient gods, who normally are just considered myths. So, my otherquestions are:What is the opinion of the Council of Princes about Prince Drakenberg?Do at least some royal families, like the house of Stewart, have thesame ideas as Prince Drakenberg?I thank you for your time.Sincerely,Joël van der Reijden
Reply from the Royal House of Stewart (10 days later):
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Dear Sir,Thank you for your e-mail.To answer your various questions, firstly with regards to Freemasonryand the Templars, the Catholic dictionary does admit to the fact thatFreemasonry evolved from The Order of the Knights Templar in Scotland.Prince Michael's next book, to be published next May, deals with thatvery subject and lots more.With regards to the gentleman styling himself Prince Drakenberg, he isneither a member of the European Council of Princes nor does theEuropean Council of Princes holds his views as valid. The title isself-assumed in any case. The only Order of the Dragon (Sarkany Rend)that is legal is that under the Grand Mastership of HRH Prince Michaelof Albany and legally entered in the Courts of Hungary. Mr de Vere hasnothing to do with the Order.Yours sincerely,Sir John ReidSecretary to HRH Prince Michael of Albany.
So, what Sir John seems to admit is that these people believe that the Knights Templar fled to Scotland (and Portugal) where their philosophies developed into the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. Then it's interesting to see when I look at the website of the United Grand Lodge of England I don't see any talk about Templars, only about medieval "stonemasons". HRH the Duke of Kent, cousin of both Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip, is head of that lodge.The bottom part of his email doesn't really go into if de Vere and their Ordo Draconis had a common past or share certain philosophies. That's probably not by accident.Question to http://www.dragoncourt.org/ :
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Dear sir / madam,I have a short question. Below, I have pasted two urls:*http://www.royalhouseofstewart.org.uk/dragon.htm*Dragon court of which the Stewarts are members*http://www.thedragonsociety.com*Nicholas de Vere's Royal Dragon Court.Do they represent the same society? What I mean is; is Nicholas de Vere head of the society the Stewarts refer to?sincerely,Joël van der Reijden
Reply from www.dragoncourt.org:
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To answer your question, Nicholas De Vere used to beallied with Laurence Gardner, Prince Michael Stewart ofAlbany, and the Royal Stewart House. But he broke withthem around 2000-2001 when he fell out with LaurenceGardner, after co-authoring "Bloodline of the HolyGrail."Around the same time, De Vere was replaced as head ofthe British Dragon Court by Baron Sir Richard Dufton.In late 2003, Nicholas De Vere or persons claiming tobe operating under his aegis launched the website athttp://www.thedragonsociety.com/.I hope that this information is helpful.---Erin D. Lindsey
Although the details aren't clear to me, it seems that what de Vere has been writing down is a genuine belief in many noble families and royal families, and known to the leaders of the Vatican. In addition, de Vere and Laurence Gardner have been working together until de Vere accused Gardner of not giving him the proper credentials in the works he wrote. Gardner has been the Presidential Attache of the European Council of Princes. This is the same Council Le Cercle founder Otto von Habsburg has been the long time president of and which today is headed by Prince Michael Stewart.An interest in bloodlines, without the Dragon theme, is quite common in these aristocratic circles. As has been shown earlier on this site, the leaders of several genealogical organizations have been recruited in the Pilgrims of the United States. Among them are the Order of the Crown of Charlemagne and the Order of the Merovingian Dynasty.References used[1] 2000, Nicholas de Vere, 'The Origin of The Dragon Lords of the Rings' [2] 2002, Nicholas de Vere, 'From Transylvania to Tunbridge Wells' (today known as 'The Dragon Legacy') [3] De Vere interview by Tracy R. Twyman [4] Website Royal House of Stewart (includes a page on the Dragon Court) A lot of relevant information is contained within the Bohemian Grove symbolism article
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RED = 2TUFF
Dear Mike,
Thanks for your response and acceptance of my apology. That was important to me.I shall reply to your additional comments below---because I really believe you are being sincere with me as you seem to openly defend your position.----- Original Message -----
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hello.........Eric,Thank you, but i really see no need for you to apologize.. You shouldn't have to apologize for something you said to someone else about me..
Disagreed. It was in order.
I don't know why 2tuff (Chuck?) [Craig, my error] felt the need to tell me that you called me a Temporal, nor do i know why 2tuff sends you private messages that i have written to him, but i don't hold you at fault for something you said to him in a private conversation... Though it doesn't take long for this to all appear as one big drama/gossip column of 'he said, she said'.
I posted Eric's initial thoughts about you thinking they were public on his mail list. I then had an email with mentioned it was private to me only. I removed the information offline asap as was told to Eric Phelps.
As i have told 2tuff, while he has been researching information on the Jesuit Order, a large area of my study over the past couple years has consisted of the pre-historic origins of the Secret Society. I know that you believe the earth to only be 6000 years old, but as a point of disagreement in this matter, i have come to the conclusions about the historical origins of the 'Great White Brotherhood' dating back some 10's of thousands of years ago in mountainous cave regions along the Caucasus, Middle East, India, and other nearby regions.. I am a believer in 'evolution', more adaquately called adaptation, though i know that there are Masonic elements involved with Charles Darwin, and am not a promoter of Darwin as a man.
Please check out one of the tabs on my site titled "Jesuit Evolution." You may find some important info previously overlooked.
I'm convinced that we are looking at 100's of millions of years of developmental life forms on earth, with the origins of 'The Great White Brotherhood' and the Secret Society coming around 40,000 years ago as a rough estimation date..
Again, there is not one shred of empiracle evidence to sustain such an age of the earth. I was trained in the theory of evolution, so it was one of my fortes in once attacking the theory of creation---scientifically speaking, as both approaches are theories only.
I totally respect your Christian/Cavlanist viewpoint on the matter, and agree with much of the information you provide on the Jesuit Order.. I guess my point to 2tuff was basically in the fact that they were calling me a 'Temporal' when i felt that the information i have discovered is equally as important, in its own way, to that information which exposes the Jesuit Order and Vatican.
I understand. You have been objective enough to allow posts regarding the Jesuit Order to continually be placed on you site. This is more than I can say for the majority of conspiratorial forums.
Whereas, perhaps, you have the Omega of the plot in the Society of Jesus, i might just have the Alpha of the plot with the historical 'Illuminated Ones' dating back pre-Sumeria into the mountainous cave regions of the Caucasus tens of thousands of years prior to any mythology/folklore on the Anunnaki...
I believe you will find Frazier's The Golden Bough and Babylon and Nineveh to be of further help if you have not consulted these classics. Hislop's The Two Babylons is another masterpiece tracing the religion of Rome back to Babylon, that "the Christ" of Rome is Tammuz, Horus or Baal depending on the culture, and that the cross is a pagan symbol infit for any Christian display, etc. You should really enjoy that work, it having never been refuted.
And while i'll admit that much of what i'm putting forth is based on theory, there is ample information to back up my theories and beliefs.. Just as much as there is for you in exposing the Jesuit Order.. If you look into the mythology/history of many of these historical 'savior' gods, the CAVE plays an extremely important part.. Jesus Christ, in the eariest tales, was born in a cave, not a manger..
What historical source are you relying upon for that statement, that the real Hebrew Jesus Christ was born in a cave?
As he was placed in a cave before he resurrected 3 days later. Zeus was born in a cave, Buddha was born in a cave, Mithra was born in a cave, Tammuz was born in a cave, Muhamad obtained his 'holy vision' in a cave to write the Koran, as well there have been multiple other important figures who were born in, or died in, caves..
Loyola started his Jesuit Order in a cave!
The cave has always been seen as a holy temple and sacred sanctuary for priests and prophets, and there is a historical reasoning behind this that predates our earliest civilizations of Egypt and Sumer..(Perhaps if you're so inclined someday, you could send me other Biblical references on the importance of the cave structure for birth/death, holy purposes...?)
OK.
And i don't muck up the waters by talking about superior alien races or Atlantis, or any of that 'New Age' stuff..
Good!
I just ask you to consider this... As Above, so Below.. The Anunnaki meant 'Those from 'heaven' to earth came..' Might this not be more in tune with high mountainous regions where these people originated..................?
What evidence do you have of the historical existence of "the Anunnaki?" The only biblical parallel one might find are the "Sons of God" who fell in Genesis 6. They: fell after Lucifer and his followers; retained their angelic bodies which can be physically touched yet not confined to time and space; fathered children who became the "giants in the earth;" and were confined bound in chains inside the earth after the Flood awaiting the Great White Throne Judgment (Rev.20). The only other sources are mythological, that I know of.
But, i have written 2tuff recently calling for some kind of truce, and have left it in his hands if he will decide to do this or not.. If they decide that a truce is called for, then perhaps we can better work together in order to get out this crucial information to more people...
Excellent.
If they decide not to come to an agreement of truce, then i suppose i will have to continue to keep them on my ignore list.
Hopefully Craig and others can make their posts and the remarks will reflect their anti-Jesuit position. Hopefully, you will not attack or demean that position but allow it to be posted, without comment if necessary. Hopefully you would give them the same freedom of speech as you would expect from another forum that might be in disagreement with your postions.
I'm sure that i could have handled this whole situation better from the start as well, it's just that i didn't feel that 2tuff was giving proper respect to whatever work i have thus far accomplished.. Though i might have had disagreements, it wasn't as if i was trying to discredit what 2tuff was saying alltogether...
OK. I believe you; Craig needs to know this.
Yet it felt like because of my disagreements with them, they sought to totally label me a 'Temporal' and discredit all the things (modest things) that i've already accomplished..
I understand. More objective communication on your part will go a long way in commanding respect with those who disagree with you, while you provide them with your forum. I have ahd to address this very conflict with several show hosts in the past. Some have given me the forum without losing their focus that they are serving the listener in providing information. Others have attacked me for which reason I immediately attack them in return.
But, again, thank you for the apology, though i wasn't expecting one (at least not from you). I still have some minor disagreements (especially of the religious angle) with the work that you are doing, but for the most part, i totally agree that the Jesuit Order must be exposed for what it is...
Excellent! Then can I expect you to continue to host the comments of those who expose the Jesuit Order without conflict from your end? I would expect those in return would then not label you as a Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor. Further, you are not blaming the Jews as being the centerpiece for the NWO, giving me a better feeling about you.
I would however try to conclude what human force might even be right above this order, and how that might connect with the Los Alumbrados of 1492, and a more historical agenda that does not rely entirelly on Babylon in order to make it complete.. I seriously think that there is a major element to look at here with the relationship of Canaan/Phoenicia/Israel, as well as the Celts, and how this directly ties back into Egypt and Sumer.. Rome was powerful, no doubt, but i believe that a couple other cultures played an equal role in the coming of the Vatican...
Regardless of the culture, it is "Mystery Babylon" which is the devil's salvation by works religion for the human race since the fall of Adam. This religion is the same in every culture, but with a different name. The works cited above sustain the point. A tour of the British Museum will further sustain this conclusion.
Be well my friend, thank you for writing back..Hope to talk again soon
Blessings
michael
Be well also my friend.
Sincerely in Faith,
Brother Eric
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