Steve Van Nattan.

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Steve van Nattan has gone off the deep end recently. Here's a link of his tirade. A lot of it is true and the rest of it is just typically bashing conservative Christians. Now, he's on some tirade blaming conservative Christians. He acting like the prophets of the OT crying his eye out. God said to those prophets that men have awaken in this world. The truth is that many Christians and Patriot know the truth about Bush's policies being against the Constitution, his allowance of torture, and other evil deeds. Cutting Edge Ministries, Liberty to Captives, Dr. Patrick Johnson, John Meyer, and other Bible Believers mention the errors of George W. Bush. So, I believe he needs to lay off the nonesense about bashing Baptists, etc. Real men don't act hysterical about the problems in this country. Real men continue to fight to try to improve the country and their neighbors. It is cowardice to do nothing and he advocates doing almost nothing to help America. Our first goal first and foremost is to get people to worship the one true God of course, but that doesn't mean we ought to not speak out and do nothing to help. Then, Steve van Nattan uses deception about America's heritage. The truth is that there's a difference between America's Christian heritage and a Christian nation. I don't believe that America is a Christian nation per se, because Christ saved all men, not just nations and a true Christian nation must be a theocracy.

On the other hand, I do believe that there was a Christian heritage in early America. I guess Steve has forgotten that Roger Williams support the Baptist cause and freedom of religion. I guess Steve don't know about the Great Awakening helping souls to worship God. I guess he didn't realize of the preachers in the battlefield of the Revolutionary War. I will not slander their blood and sacrifice in an attempt to downplay that history. Even I don't agree with some of the Diest influence in the Constitution, but some of it does reflect biblical values. Without the Baptists support, the Bill of Rights would of never been amended to the Constitution. Many Christians influenced the Founders like the Pysterberian preacher John Witherspoon was James Madison's teacher. Indeed, many of the Founders were Freemasons, Rosicrucians, and Deists, but the nation of America in that time was 90%+ Christian. He needs to learn that history. One of the few legitimate arguments he does have is not rebelling against a King. America was formed by the rebellion against King George. On the other hand, the war was started in MA when the British tried to gain the guns of the colonalists. The British struck first not America. It is moral to have self-defense. Self Defense is not rebellion. The British used high taxes and eliminating the economic indepedence of the colonies. Many of the British during the Revolutionary killed innocent people and people were jusitified to defend themselves against British terrorism. I find it hilarious he's citing the Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11 when many treaties before that citied God and the Trinity after 1776. Also, that treaty wasn't binding since Muslims rejected it originally. It was only later when Muslims were forced to accept the new Treaty (in 1805) that had nothing to do with the 1797 one. It's also funny that he's mentioning his quotes. He hypocritically doesn't mention other quotes of God fearing men in early America citing religious influence or Christian principles in the creation of this country. It doesn't bother me that some or even most of the signers of Declaration of Independence were Masons, Deists, Rosicrucians, etc. You know why? The reason is that I know that beside the Founders, there were tons of God fearing Christians that also help built this nation as well, not only the Founders.

Then, he goes on and omits key information about Hitler. Yeah, some apostate Lutherans and Baptists did support Hitler early on. Steve van Nattan obviously forgotten that Hitler was into the occult and was a member of the New Age/occult Thule and Vril Society. Hitler read the teachings of Blavatsky (who believed that Lucifer saved mankind from Jehovah), who was an anti-Semite. Why doesn't Steve mention that? To not mention that is being disingenious in outlining the true history of WWII. In fact, Atheist Communists and the pro-New Age Hitler Hitler killed more people than Christians and Muslims combined in the 20th century. Hitler never accepted orthodox Christianity, but abhored any Semitic representation of Jesus. He considered Jesus an Aryan. Just like apostate Christians followed Hitler, many Christians opposed the Nazis. The industrailists funding the Nazis were members of numerous occult orders like Skulls and Bones, Bohemian Grove, and Freemasonry like 33rd Degree Freemason Henry Ford (this guy wrote a book called the International Jew pratically blaming the Jews for most of the problems of the world. He also recieved a Nazi cross in July 1938. He's a real traitor), Hjamar Schact, Prescott Bush, and others. It is true that many Nazis persecuted the Freemasons, which I don't support. That was evil and wrong. On the other hand, it is true that according to FreemasonryWatch.org and Hannah Newman's 'The Rainbow Swastika' , the Nazis allied with the Old Prussian Lodges of Freemasonry. In fact, on Freemasonry Watch.org, you can see The Memorial Stamp Set issued to mark the opening of the first Nazi Reichstag (in 1933), or German Parliament. It depicts Hitler's personal hero, Prussian King Frederick The Great, the founder and patron of 'Regular' Freemasonry in Germany. Now, if Steve wants to really learn the truth about World War 2, he should of known that many people of many creeds died. Many people in Secret Societies and international banking funded both sides and should of been held for treason. Also, Steve forgotten that the Vatican (through the Vatican (i.e. the Jesuits, Knights of Malta like Joseph Kennedy and Franz von Papen) aided the Nazis more than the apostate Lutherans and Baptists. In fact, The Catholic Ustashi killing almost 600,000 Serbs, Jews, Gypsies, etc.

The Vatican Ratline was solely about the Vatican sending Nazi war criminals out of Europe without a trial. After the war, the United Nations was created and Rockeller gave some of his land in NYC for that to happen in the 1940's. That's why you see these "left wing" people praising the U.N., but for decades, Rwanda, Sudan, population control, forced abortion, etc. have been executed by the United Nations. Steve doesn't want people to know about that, because he's using a shill tactics of omission and intimidation toward those Christians that don't agree with his views. If the Christians he's bashing are so "dumb," why doesn't he go out and educate people more in the street? Would a bigger means to help people is to peacefully educate people on the truth instead of tearing Baptists and Protestants down? Many conservative Christians know the truth about 9/11, WWII, The sinking of the Maine, Franz Joseph, The burning of the Reichstag, The sinking of the Lusatania, The bombing of Pearl Harbor (32nd Degree Freemason used it as a pretext for World War II), The Tonkin Gulf Myth, The Cuban missile crisis (LBJ used it as an excuse to go ahead with the Vietnam war where 58,000 of our GIs were killed), Waco, civil liberties, etc. Steve's main lie is his claim that conservative Christians prepetratue this events, but the truth is that governments, Secret Societies, and other help created those event not Bible Believers. Me and my little brother talk about this stuff all of the time. People know about world leaders discussing about the New World Order. People are not as stupid and naive as Steve think people are. Steve van Nattan is the perfect example of an angry man using half-truths to bash people. Not all Baptists are collectively evil and not all Baptists support President Bush's agenda. He fails to see that. Steve is very silly to use a link unto Oil Empire.us that mocks the Rapture and believes in the pagan, child killing pratice of abortion. Nattan's support of Cumbey is troubling, because not only won't expose Freemasonry , the Jesuits (i.e. pro-New Age Jesuit priest Chairdan), and Romanism in a hardcore way, but Eric Jon Phelps wrote a great expose of her. Constance forgot that Javier Solona (which she is obessing about) is an ally of Knight of Malta King Juan Carlos of Spain. Carlos is under the leadership of all Knights of Malta, who is Bertie of Great Britian. Steve's intimidation isn't impression, it doesn't work on me, and Bible believers shouldn't become intimidated by this man at all. His rhetoric is no different than the far left bashing conservative Christians without making a distinction between brainwashed Christians (in league, allied, or connected to the Masons, CNP, SMOM, Jesuits, etc.) and real Christians who oppose abortion and disagree with the Bush agenda. Steve's deception is known for all to see.

By TruthSeeker24 (Timothy)