Tuesday, November 04, 2008

Troy refutes Ongir, the bigot

Joined: 21 Oct 2008
Posts: 6

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:23 pm

Post subject: REPLY TO OG:IRREFUTABLE CONFIRMATION OF ROME'S N.W.O CONTROL


Thanks Ogir for your pearls of wisdom.

I will have to post you Craig Oxley's hand-me-downs, as I'd recently been questioned by him about my use of Wikipedia, after I had posted a piece on Nadhmi Auchi, Billionaire Knight of the Papal-loyal Royal Order of Francis I & who has received honours from that body's sister order, the Franco-Neapolitan Constantinian Order, that had some most excellent Wikipedia info that he tried to get censored but was totally legit, about his fraud activities. This guy has been pals with former CIA puppet Saddam Hussein & more recently current CFR puppet Barrack Hussein Obama (& pawn of Edward Cardinal Egan, the Archbishop of New York, who is known as "the American Pope" & is a Knight of Malta, Constantinian Knight & Knight of the House of Savoy's Order of Sts Maurice & Lazarus, which is controlled by Vittorio Emmanuele, Prince of Naples & notorious P2 member. Small world ain't it?

As for Wikipedia, its actually more accurate & presents more dissenting voices of opinion than Encyclopedia Brittanica & what's more has all the original sources listed. As I encourage others to do their own follow-up research, it makes more sense to publish the WikiP links than their sources most of the time as it enables people to get more of an overview of individuals & groups & has those always useful links to every other name mentioned.

So to save myself the bother here's the bulk of an email that I posted Craig. Bon appetite! (Fret not I do post some fresh material below that):

"Right, first off: I post to a wide range of people, as I don't believe in "preaching to the choir", a number of these could be categorised as "Conspiracy Profane". Wikipedia is easily-accessible to anyone who uses the internet & most importantly cross-referencable. Those pages have links to organisations own websites, whether in this case its the bank in question - BNP Parabas - or the business in question - in this case General Mediterranean Holding. It is thus more credible than the page of any conspiracy researcher in the eyes of 99% of people. They can also go to the links of the company sites & verify it for themselves.

Now I could provide links for their official websites, etc, etc, but I provide enough to online newspaper articles, etc. in the quotes from things like the Franco-Neapolitan Constantinian Order database.

There's no problem using Wikipedia 99 times out of 100, as the info is often hidden in plain sight, i.e. if you don't know the connections it's meaningless. So we have the Wikipedia list of the Bank of America's major shareholders. If there's some major companies missing it's going to noticed pretty damn quick by thousands of people. Now few of these same people would even consider whether or not there's a Jesuit connection & if they were aware of one, then even consider that this might be sinister. That's how stuff is hidden in plain sight.

So did anyone else out there in conspiracy research land know until I showed them that Auchi is:
* a Knight of the Order of Francis I who's been awarded the Gold Benemerenti decoration by the French Constantinian Order?
* one of the richest men in the UK?
* a convicted fraudster?
* a Knight of the Order of St Sylvester selected by the Pope?
* an "inter-religious dialogue" charlatan?
* not to mention a major shareholder along with the Belgian government of the 5th-ranking bank in the world - BNP Paraban - the top bank in the Eurozone, that's the 13th ranking business (both ranks on Forbes 2000)?

More likely everyone would have gone "who?" & shown not much interest, if I hadn't made the connection to the Constantinian Order, which in itself would have elicited a "what?" a year ago almost universally outside of the world of chivalric orders & the aristocracy, despite not exactly hiding on the net. I had tried to expose their stated agenda on Myspace for about 6 months before that to almost total non-reaction & that was even I had my original account with about 1300 contacts on it. One of the main (though several) reasons why I can't be bothered with it anymore.

Yes most of this can be found out via Wikipedia, but I found out about this guy originally by researching the various Constantinian Order websites & have discussed him with Guy Sainty, which caused me to dig deeper on Auchi. There may well be far richer families that we can suspect of being richer than X,Y & Z, but at the end of the day verifiable evidence is what counts. Also, although the info is there, it often takes quite a few articles to show the whole picture.

Am I worried about Wikipedia being "CIA"? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. It's almost irrelevant. How many of your posters at the forum or people on your email lists are CIA? One maybe two on the email list, a number over time at the forum. It wouldn't be outside the realms of likelihood. In fact, we might as well say that the New World Order agenda is complete bunkum, that the intelligence agencies are completely inept & go back to watching the television.

While everything has its faults, Wikipedia is as good a resource as any for some otherwise very disparate & obscure information.

Also - unlike any researcher out there that I can think of, I have gone to the knighthood & masonic orders' websites, pdf's, online magazines, etc. to get some otherwise impossible to obtain info - & much of it seems to have been useful to at least a small number of other interested parties."

Back to Noel:

As you can see from my previous post, in fact I do "do better" than Wikipedia repeatedly. Source links to several pages on the Franco-Neapolitan Constantinian Order's own website, links to Archive.org for no longer available or subsequently heavily updated pages, etc, etc.

"Bull__", "morons", "f__", "idiot".

Og, you seriously have a base vocabulary. Is this to make up for your lack of veracity & scrupulousness when it comes to presenting a coherent portrait of a verifiable if largely covert global power structure?

Leaving out the Jesuit/Vatican/Catholic Knighthood Orders nexus of Rome (let alone Le Cercle, the P2 & others), leaves you clutching at straws when it comes to the spurious "Zionists" ruling everything.

Never any mention of the "Zionists" being Labor Zionists & ultimately crypto-Frankist Sabbataians/Sabbateans. Never any mention of the history that goes back centuries linking them to the Vatican, the Jesuits, Jesuit-created & controlled Masonic systems or to the Catholic & Papal Knighthood Orders. Like today's (false) Rabbis Mordechai Waxman & David Rosen or Pave the Way Foundation's Gary Krupp being Knights of St Gregory.

http://www.ptwf.org/Projects/MissionToVatican/PhotoPage1.htm


http://www.ptwf.org/Projects/MissionToVatican/PhotoPage2.htm



Not too mention those Arab Knights who are members of the French/Italian House of Bourbon-Two Sicilies' Papal-loyal Orders like Nadhmi Auchi (referrred to above), Mahmoud Khayami, Nasser David Khalili, et al who were also made Papal Knights of St Sylvester. A right bunch of crooks with hands in big finance & dodgy deals from the Arab Peninsula to Britain via places like Luxembourg.

See:

http://www.constantinian.com/news-2004.html#papalknighthood



&:

http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/papal-loyal-franco-neapolitan-constantinian-iraqi-british-billionaires-saddam-obama-links/

The fact that this guy is along with the Begian Government, the owner of the largest bank in the Eurozone, BNP Parabas speaks for itself. This is the 5th largest bank in the world! Owned by a Arab Papal Knight!

Rome controls both sides of this Arab-Israeli tragedy. The Vatican has had PLO offices within its walls since 1994:

http://www.tenc.net/docs/vis.htm

The true Torah-faithful Jews & the non-elite Muslims pay the price for Rome's gains (as do true dispensational & non-Catholic Christians) at the hands of their corrupt Babylonian Mystery Religion (i.e. the Vatican/Masonic beast system) observing elite leaders.

The Palestinians will not be let alone by Jesuit/Vatican-asset Shimon Peres, nor be allowed to enter Jordan by the King, Abdullah II. Why is this? Why would an Arab King not let Muslim Arabs live in peace among his people?

Well let me see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_II_of_Jordan#Education_and_military_career


Oh dreaded Wikipedia! Ha! I can see why you don't like it. Once again we find the hand of the Jesuits at play when we realize that this Arab King was trained at Jesuit Georgetown University:

"In 1987, he completed an advanced studies and research program at the Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University. He took full command of the Jordanian special forces in November 1993, becoming a Major General. He instructed the special forces until 1996, when he was instructed to reorganize the special forces and other special units under the special operation command SOCOM. Upon assuming his constitutional powers, he became the commander-in-chief. King Abdullah holds the ranks of Field Marshal in the Jordan Arab Army and Marshal of the Royal Jordanian Air Force."

What a surprise!

Or do you think that he's controlled by "Zionists" too?

Rome trains & controls your false-flag "Zionists", as well as its Masonic & Knighthood Order Arabs. The story is the same in Europe, the UK & the US, as the following photos confirm:

http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/romes-control-of-the-new-world-order-in-pictures/


In truth & awareness

- TS

http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/

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