Execellent response 2tuff. I wouldn't of said it better myself. I would say that I have different religious beliefs than you. Just because people believe in Jesus Christ doesn't mean it's laughable. All religions have similarities, yet not all religious concepts ought to be rejected for there are moral absolutes. There has to be a Creator here. You have to be really stupid to deny a Creator or God in forming the universe by the design, other evidence, etc. This other guy spewed so many lies that I had trouble keeping up with his lies. I will add so more information on here, so be patient. I will answer the Jew basher's questions about the media, Hitler, etc. Now as 2tuff eloquently, the main religious and political philosophies of many sinister groups like the Jesuits originated from the ancient Babylonian Mystery religion. You can witness that from the Eucharist, the IHS logo of the Jesuits, confessional, Tammuz plus Semiaris, and all the way through the concepts of astrology. Alexander Hislop's "The Two Babylons" outline this truth greatly. Now, the Roman empire was a backbone into the creation of the Roman Catholic Church. All of the Roman emperors were Gentiles (as far as I'm concerned were Gentiles) and the Roman Catholic Church in essence was nothing more than a rehash of the Gentile ancient Mysteries (not Torah Judaism), because the Mysteries existed before Judaism was invented. In fact, the Roman empire persecuted Christians and Jews along with the Vatican. If this was a Jewish not Jesuit conspiracy, why would the Vatican slaughter millions of Christians, Jews, Muslims, religious dissidents, political dissidents, etc? The answer is that it isn't a Jewish conspiracy. Who ruled Europe during the Middle Ages? It wasn't the Jews running Europe when they were hunted like animals and forced to wear tags for identification (in some cases). It was the Vatican (not the Jewish people) controlling most of the land, religious texts, and wisdom of Europe during that period of history. The Vatican supported the many Crusaders raping and pillaging Europe plus the Middle East. As for who controls the media, that's easy. The people who control the media aren't mostly Jews, but Gentiles in the CFR, the Vatican, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, and other organizations. For example, the head of the FOX Empire is billionare Papal Knight of the St. Gregory Rupert Murdoch.
The head of AOL/Time Warner (which has control of CNN, AOL, Time, Sports Illustrated, etc.) is Gentile CFR member Richard D. Parsons. The founder of the National Review was Knight of Malta Gentile William Buckley Jr. Roman Catholic and 1001 Club member Emilio Azcárraga Milmo Jr. is a Mexican media mogul. Gentile Roman Catholic Knight of Malta Gustavo Cisneros is a billionare, media magnate, and a member of the Pilgrim Society. Cisneros is the CEO of the Cisneros Group of Companies [very prominent in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands], which has large stakes in companies like Univision, AOL Latin America, DirecTV Latin America, and a score of other media companies. It's apparent the the Jesuits, Knights of Malta (never forget that the Knights of Malta stole the wealth of Knights Templar after they were condemned by the Pope in 1307. THe Knights Templar set the foundation of the European international banking empire and the Knights gotten much of their wealth. As 2tuff truthfully wrote, the Templars gain much influence from the occult Islamic Assassins group that rejected Orthodox Islam. The Knights of Malta to this day have firm control of much of the corporate and political monopolies of the world. They are also called the Sovereign Military Order of Malta), high level Freemasons and their underlings rule the world by these facts alone. If the Jews solely rule the media, they would cry to the rooftoops about the Vatican/Nazi link, the Inquistion, the Ratlines, the Ustashi terrorists, etc. constantly. Instead, you have the Masonic ADL giving out the "The Cardinal Bea Interfaith Award" to people. Why a Jew would ever be a Catholic is beyond me, because the Vatican slaughtered their people more than any other creed in history.That isn't disinformation. It's disinformation for people like Daryl Bradford Smith and Jew basher madthumbs to ignore these connections. As for Loose Change, who cares if they're Jewish. It doesn't matter if they're Jewish. It matters if they are righteous in their acts. They have been sincere with other folks in the world. Evil people exist in Jews and Gentiles not solely Jewish people. CHristianity was created by Jews. There is nothing wrong with that. Buddhism was created by Asians, but that doesn't mean we're experiencing an Asian/Buddhist conspiracy globally.
What does acknowleging your race and heritage in a legitimate manner have to do with being a racist? That's honorable. I honor any man that isn't ashamed of his heritage or race. The elite want us to disregard our heritage in promoting multiculturalism and bashing moral values. So, that isn't racist. Christianity (regardless of what people think about it) states that all believers are one in Christ. That doesn't sound racist to me. The Jesuits aren't a joke, because they have the most numbers than any Vatican order in the world. They have members worldwide and had roles in the spread of vaccinations and diseases in the Third World, the French Revolution (Voltaire, Robspierre, and other Revolutionary leaders were Jesuit trained individuals. The Freemason Voltaire (of the Nine Sisters Lodge) was a known friend of the Jesuit named Poree), the assassination of Abraham Lincoln (as presented in CT Wilcox's new book), the Russian Revolution, the Third Reich (Edmond Paris' "The Secret History of the Jesuits" proved the Nazi SS modeled themselves after the Jesuits and Himmler's uncle was a Jesuit priest and a SS officer. Jesuit priest Bernhardt Stempfle wrote Mein Kampf for Hitler. That's proven by the testimonies of Edmond Paris and Otto Strasser, who was a Roman Catholic founder of the Nazi Party. The Nazi reign reached into high gear with the Reichstag fire of February 27, 1933. Before on July 1933, Knight of Malta Franz von Papen [representing the Nazis] signed a concordat with Pope Pius XI. The concordat was never revoked and Hitler was never excommunicated from Rome for his actions.
If this alone was shown in the mainstream media, it would be excellent. Even Nazi Martin Bormann's eldest son, Adolph was a Jesuit temporary. After the war, the Vatican sent many of the Nazis out from justice through the Ratlines, Hunt agreement, and Operation ODESSA The Jesuit-inspired SS led as a backbone of the Knight of Malta-influenced CIA. On a higher level, there has always been an OTO/NASA/Nazi/CIA connection evident by many Nazis coming into NASA and other facts), The Vietnam War (Jesuit Dan Lyons loved the war and Catholics like Diem butchered many Buddhists. Priest Lyons personally consulted with General Abrams, the Commander of U. S. Forces in Vietnam. Avro Manhattan's book "Why Did we go to Vietnam" exposes Diem completely. JFK hated the persecution of the Buddhists and rightfully wanted to end that. We all know what happened to JFK), and even today in this war on terror(note that the Iraqis booted the Jesuits in 1969. Later, Jesuit trained Georgetown [& the CFR like the CFR PNAC neo cons] related folks like Rumsfeld, George Casey, and other are permitting the present war in Iraq).
Even Leo J. O’Donovan (a Jesuit of the Fourth Vow) is on the board of Directors of the Disney company. The Jesuits still country over a dozen universities in America (like Fordham, Georgetown, Boston College, Fairfield, Xavier, Marquette University, and others) alone influence the directions of Presidents, political leaders, scientists, religious theologians, heads of corporations, business men and women, etc. They still have mighty powerful presently. Eric Jon Phelps, John Daniel, 2tuff, and other have presented conclusive evidence of making that point known to people. Now about Zionism. Zionism is not monolithic to me since many Patriotic Zionists (like Messanic Jewish people) who want peace and aren't extremists seeking to kill Arabic people. The type of Zionists we need to expose are the Labor Zionists or any Zionists in colloboration with the Vatican or wants evil in the world. Like Eric said, the Masonic Jewish Zionists play a significant but subordiante role in world geo-political affairs. There are many examples to prove this.
The example are that the Jewish B'nai B'rith Lodge isn't as powerful as the Gentile-Scottish Rite of Freemasonry (whom many of its degrees were authored by the Vatican's Jesuits as proven by Charles Southern and William O. Peterson), how the Vatican Papal Knight Reinhard Gehlen trained the Mossad (endorsed by traitor to this own people and Nazi colloborator David Ben-Gurion. Knight of Malta James Jesus Angleton manned the Vatican and Israeli desks for the CIA. So, that another connection between the Vatican and Mossad working together.), and how the Vatican's Ecumencial Movements controls much of the policies of apostate Protestant and Jewish organizations (there are over 1.1 billion Catholics on this Earth). The Middle East was carved up by the West after WWI (through policies like the Sykes-Picot Agreement of May 16, 1916. This was when the Ottoman Turks were thrown out of the Fertile Crescent by the British [plus the Arabic people] including "Lawrence of Arabia.") Israel was helped to be created by Cardinal Spellman (using the U.N.) and high level Freemasonry. For example, Spellman forced the U.N. to acknowledge Israel's existence. Also, the 33rd Degree Freemasons Harry Truman (the recipent of the Jesuit Sword of Ignatius Loyola Award in the 1960's) and Chaim Weizzman worked together to form Israel as well. The Vatican is using the Labor Zionist government of Israel in order to control as much land as possible, form a unified religious system based in Jerusalem if necessary, and some (especially Freemasons as mention in the literature of 33º Albert Mackey's Encyclopaedia of Freemasonry" book) want to restore Solomon's Temple. Mackey personally wrote that "...The great body of the Masonic Craft, looking only to this first Temple erected by the wisdom of King Solomon, make it the symbol of life; and as the great object of Masonry is the search after truth, they are directed to build up this temple as a fitting receptacle for truth...".
Barry Chamish is one patriotic Israeli exposing the evil Labor Zionists harming Yemeni & Sephardi children, working with the CFR, etc. Olmert and especially Peres have been sucking up to the Vatican for a while now. Is it a concoidence that when Sharon refused Vatican diplomats in Israel that he was suddenly sick and in a coma? Knight of Malta Juan Carlos and Papal Knight Javier Solona (of the EU. Knight of Malta Valery Giscard D’Estaing is proponent of the European Union and failed to pass the EU Constitution) now have key sway in the Middle East negiotations surrounding Israel and the rest of the countries in the Middle East. I'm learning real history now. Even though I don't see eye to eye with everyone here on every issue, I do respect 2tuff's willingness to not back down. Keep up the good work 2tuff on the Jesuit information. I really don't see the Jews benefiting from this or the Arabic people. The Jews are being blamed for everything under the sun now especially after the Hezbollah/Israeli war. Jewish people in England and Australia are being assaulted.
We all know why the Arabs aren't benefit since they're expriencing D.U., bombings, exploitation, and warfare by the West. I wonder if Alberto Rivera was still alive to see our Forum and witness how far we come in exposing the Jesuits. As for the Council on Foreign Relations (whom founders are high level Freemasons and SMOMs), I don't believe they are the strongest group in America. I do believe that the CFR is a powerful "third party" used to execute the engine of much of American policy here and abroad though. They are all over the administrations of Presidencies going back decades. Many are heads of corporations, in the media, in government, etc. As many know, the CFR (like CFR man Robert Pastor) endorse the American Union and globalization, which is against basic national sovereignty. Some like David Rockefeller blatantly said and wrote (in his Memoirs) that we want global government (or "one world"). I will expose every facet of the real conspiracy in trying to make a new world order, not limit myself in refusing to expose the Jesuits. Not to mention that other globalist groups exist like the Pilgrim Society, the Bilderberg Group, the 1001 Club, Le Cerle (with blatant Knight of Malta connections), and many others.
Dedicated to Alberto Rivera
By TruthSeeker24 (Timothy)
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