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RE: SHINING ONES, JUDAS & ENEMIES OF JEHOVAH (BAGATTEL
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By: Maralela <Send E-Mail>Date: Tuesday, 1 August 2006, 5:28 p.m.
Il_Bagattel's post was so far down that I'm posting my answer here. I hope you don't mind.
In Response
To: THE SHINING ONES, JUDAS AND THE ENEMIES OF JEHOVAH (Il_Bagattel)
You wrote ": Is the US, : which is currently spearheaded by followers of Jehovah, : involved in a frantic final attempt to destroy evidence of : the eternal, Shining enemy of Jehovah?"
The shining enemy of Jehovah is not eternal. He lost his "war" when he caused the Son of God to be killed. THE US IS supposedly SPEARHEADED BY followers of Jehovah, but they are really FOLLOWERS OF THE ENEMY OF JEHOVAH. For the most part, the PTB in the high ranks of our government are Masons or Jesuits, or both. The one that is directing the Masons and Jesuits is Lucifer, the devil, Satan, or whatever you want to call him. Perhaps you will have time to go to some of the links I put here.
Going to the link at the bottom of your message I find many things I don't agree with (you have the right to believe it or not or question it, and I can't really tell from your post if you believe it or not). After each ----I have written something.
Mary Sparrowdancer (after this designated as MS) says "information given to the masses by the most powerful church on earth."---- ------------------------
What does she mean by "church"? Roman Catholic church? Christianity"? Something else? See "Jesuits" farther along in my post. Actually, the Jesuits are a military organization, not really a religious organization, but they rule the Pope.
MS says "In some instances, different gods gave conflicting instructions. In Genesis, for example, there were conflicting instructions pertaining to what mankind may and may not eat. In Genesis 1, mankind is told by the unnamed elohim that we may partake of all seed-bearing fruits and vegetation on the face of the earth. There is no mention of anything forbidden, and there is also no mention of Jehovah. The unnamed gods in Genesis 1 stated we were created in their image. Genesis 2 tells a different story. The Jehovah elohim tell mankind that severe penalties will apply if certain forbidden vegetation is so much as touched. (The list of forbidden fruits and vegetation continues to this day.) Unlike the unnamed elohim in Genesis 1 who stated we are in their image, the Jehovah elohim state instead that we are dust - and will return to dust - an insult that until the Gospel of Judas has been unchallenged."
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Genesis 2:7 tells HOW God created man in His image "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life: and man became a living soul." Also, the fruit that was forbidden was that of a certain tree. Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." I wonder where MS got her idea of "The list of forbidden fruits and vegetation continues to this day".
(BTW the Bible was not originally divided up into chapter. That was done to make it easier to reference but the chapters don't always end in places that make sense.)
MS says "What else has been kept hidden from us by those in control of church and state?
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During the "dark ages" the Jesuits, controling the pope (the Jesuit general that was called the "black pope" controled the "white pope" that is the Pope that the world in general sees dressed in white pretending to be divine/diety) controlled the Roman Catholic church and its believers and escentially the whole "known world". They suppressed the Bible completely from "the masses", and in general suppressed much knowledge.
I didn't know much about this until I read Sveli's message(1st one is a sort of introduction but is not Svali's message
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/16-Jan-2006.html
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/17-Jan-2006.html
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/18-Jan-2006b.html
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/19-Jan-2006.html
then I HEARD A LECTURE BY ERIC JON PHELPS. The 2nd edition of "Vatican Assassins: Wounded in the House of My Friends" by Eric Jon Phelps is coming out in July this year (the 1st edition is difficult to obtain). But a little info can be found at http://www.cloakanddagger.de/guests/eric_jon_phelps.asp http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/blackpope.htm Then I did some more research.
Here are the notes (the part enclosed in " ") I took the first time I listened to Phelps lecture (on the Meria Heller show)(then a later listening produced more notes but I plan to get his book) (I did post this before.)
Do you really want to know about the top of the chain of command that is destroying "America"? I do not subscribe to Phelps' statements near the end about certain parts of the Bible. But he has done some VERY important research.
"Jesuits are at the top of the chain of Bilderburgers, Rothchilds, etc etc.. Most of the common level of Jesuits don't know about this. A Jesuit lower rank MUST obey his superiors completely. They must kill anyone who stands in the way. I couldn't find the quote again but it is either one or both---Condoleeza Rice graduated from a Jesuit school or is a Jesuit (or both?) Bill Clinton--Jesuit Georgetown graduate George W. Bush is tied to it through his father Knight of Malta 1st pres Bush The "black pope" controls all the high level Masonery as well as the international intelligence community, etc. vaticanassasins.org Georgetown U controls the CFR Jesuits stacking the Supreme Court to control our country all Fox News is all Jesuit Temple ... (I couldn't understand the word here) Jesuits are behind the Council of Foreign Relations the "Temple Power" Pope John Paul the 1st and Clemente the 14 were killed by the Jesuits Rothchilds keepers of the Vatican treasury Luciferian Masonic Labor Zionists (as oppossed to the ... Zionists and the Biblical Zionists) They kill whoever disobeys like JFK ("black pope" vs the "white pope" the "Black Pope"---The Jesuit General & he oversees the Papacy, the white Pope dresses in white, the black Pope dresses in black They control Los Angeles ... ... high Masonry is occultic "They use this false Jesus" 9/11 to justify this war against Islam JFK and "Arch Bishop Spellman and the CIA where it belonged"
THIS IS GETTING too LONG. BUT AFTER YOUR WORDS BELOW I WILL PUT THE LONGER NOTES I TOOK JUST IN CASE SOMEONE WANTS MORE INFO.
Just one more thought. MS talks about Baal. That is connected with the "god" Nimrod and his wife Semiramis and their son.
: Mary Sparrowdancer ...another side of her writings that poses : some very important questions. It is a bit long, but a : damned fine thought provoking read. Here is a snip: : "This is a time for us to ask many questions. What is : the real reason that the US is plundering the ancient land : of Babylon at this time? Why were the ancient writings and : artifacts in the museums immediately stolen? And why the : bloodbath in Basra? The ancient Chaldean name of Basra was : "Perat Maishan." Al-Maisan in Arabic is "the : Shining One." Are there multidimensional portals : associated with the "gates of god?" Is the US, : which is currently spearheaded by followers of Jehovah, : involved in a frantic final attempt to destroy evidence of : the eternal, Shining enemy of Jehovah? Could it be that : there is something other than WMD and oil the US government : is desperately searching for in order to forestall the : arrival of a long-awaited coming? Is this why the heads of : state keep meeting at the Vatican?"
: http://www.rense.com/general71/defmo.htm
(Then I listened again, backing up a lot and taking more notes.)
Condeleeza Rice graduated from ... as a Jesuit Phelps was 20 years collecting this info. Opus Dei is a subordinate , somewhat Masonic, was involved in killing of 600,000 of Franco's own Spanish people. Jesuits established by Ignacio Loyola, waging war against Moslems, destroying Protestant Reformation.
1773 the Jesuits were expelled from Portugal, Sain, and France. Once the Jesuits own America, they own the world. In the 1800's the Jesuits sought to reshape the U.S., and accomplished this with the war between the states. Before the 14th amendment, we were citizens of states FIRST before the United States, but this was reversed by the 14th amendment. 1899 does not include the common law rights or the Bill of Rights. See Marshall vs Daws 1899 case. Now the only limitation on our government is the Supreme Court. There are 5 Catholics now on the Supreme Court, 3 of which are Opus Dei. Jesuits control the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations). High level Masons on the Supreme Court in past like Earl Warren. Georgetown University controls the CFR. Ruth Bader Ginesburg is one of the Pope's Masonic Zionists. Behind the Dictators by Leo Leyman 1942. Jesuits killed about 12 million of Native Americans in the USofA and 14 million Native Americans in Canada. A Jesuit co agitor has a secret alligiance to the Jesuit order. Michael Collins Piper and Alex Jones. If they won't deal with the Jesuits, it is either out of ignorance or trying to protect them.
All of Fox News is Jesuit Temple ... (then I couldn't understand the word--colaborators?). In a picture of the 2004 annual report of the CFR members meeting, Condoleeza Rice is going to the podium. Jesuits intended to take Jerusalem from ... (Mussolini?) but were unable to do so, so under King George the 3rd they took control of Britain, conducted all this foreign policy thru 19th century, including the opium wars, used the British to launch 2 wars, Drefus Affair, Drefus wrongly convicted and sent to Devil's Island. The Rothchilds are the keepers of the Vatican Treasury, according to their own ... (Jesuit?) Jewish Encyclopedia. All top Luciferian Masonic Zionists are tools of the Papacy (distinguishing from the Biblical Zionists and Revisionist Zionists. Complete allegence to the Pope, war on Protestants, will feign themselves to be... Muslims, Jews, etc., will become all things to all men. Osama ben Laden and Saudi Princes are high level Masons working with Bush and Blair to bring them back. Any Pope that doesn't obey will be ... . Clemente the 14 was poisoned with a slow painful poison.
Pius the 9th was killed. 1870 the Pope declared infallible. What the general wants will be done by the Pope, murder the innocent, comit lewdness ... . 1534 Ignatiius Loyola the 1st Luciferian Zionist. Jesuits were expelled from all Europe except from Belgium. Clinton is a Jesuit Georgetown graduate where he was president of his class. George W. Bush is tied to it through his father. In 1988 George Herbert Walker Bush entertained the Grand Master Andrew Wilabee Berte, an Englishman of the soveriegn order of Malta (first allegiance to the Temple Power of the Pope of Rome). 150 heads of state were at John Paul II's funeral--They had to be there, subject to the Temple Power. Jesuits of 3rd vows don't have any idea. Jesuits control all high level Masonry, Masonic Zionists, OTO, Br'Braith, National Intelligence community. Lower ranks obey completely the orders of their superiours. Jesuits is a military order, not religious.
About the time of 1993 ... Oslo ... Shalone Perez... deeding the old city of Jerusalem, including the Temple Mount, to the Pope. Jesuits control all high level Free Masons ... 1st 25 degrees of Masonry. 1901 Pope Leo the 13th outspoken against Freemasonry. Ariel Sharon a Mason. ... Masons of Peace with the King of Jordan. Perfidy by Ben Heck, Ben Gurion worked in conjunction with Adolf Eichman for 400,000 Hungarian Jews ... late 1950's this was brought public ... had Mossad bring back Adolf Eichman to save government of Ben Gurion. Mossad is controlled by the CIA. There is no Mossad without the CIA and there is no CIA without the continuation of the Nazi SS. In 1951 the Guillin organization affiliated with the CIA trained the Mossad. These men that serve the Jesuits in high political places and national intelligence agencies do what they are told or lose their lives like JFK, Joseph Stalin, FDR. They kill whoever becomes disobedient. JFK, Lincoln, sink Titanic, tomorrow and great miliary leaders. Jesuit general is called the black pope because he wears a black ... (cossack?). Whe white pope is dressed in white as a picture of his divinity or diety, and his visitors dress in black. Black pope overseer is his bodyguard. Jesuits are post praetorian guards. Jesuits are like Hitlers' SS, paterned after the Jesuit order. Jesuits order is the policing guard of the Roman Hiarchy not subject to ... but only subject to their superior. The black pope rules the Jesuit order and oversees the Papacy and he with his 10 assistants determine policy for the Papacy. A Jesuit institution is a fortress set out to control the area where it is.
Don't fear the Jesuits. Theuy are not to be feared if you know the Lord. Detroit, NY City, Los Angeles, Baltimore, Philidelphia, San Francisco are all controlled by the Jesuits. Protecals of Zion were written by Jesuits not the other Zionists. Protocols of Zion are true, but they try to make the "duty perfidious Jews" are behind this world conspiracy and the Bolshevik Revolutioin appear to be Jewish, Lenin and his Jewish leutenants in front. Bishop Rolf, and Jedman Walls from Georgetown who in 1922 put Stalin in powere secretary of the communist party. Himler modeled his ... after the Jesuits. Hitler said of Himler "my Ignacio Loyola. No SS no Nazi party with a Barvaria, in Munich Nazi party came from etc, a Jesuit stronghold. If any pope or Cardinal crosses that, it's over. Occultic at its core, Luciferian, false Jesus of Romanism, continuation of Isis and babe and on the crucifix. But really, Jesus Christ is the only mediator needed. Jesuits did 9/11to justify this war against Islam. JFK ... keeping the blame off of Arch Bishop Carol Spellman and the CIA where it belonged. Hoover head of the FBI and a 33re degree FreeMason. Jack Ruby also FBI, Lyndon Johnson, Carlos Marchelo the mafia don of New Orleans, Joseph Savila the mafia don of Dallas--It was the secret service and they were all planning.
That power Cardinal Spellman has been left intact in the person of the Archbishop of NY Edward Cardinal Eagen.k It was Edward Cardinal Eagen who brought down the World Trade Center towers and attacked the Pentagon using his knight of Malta.(The head of the Knights of Malta is a NY seneric Arch Bishop. The head of the CIA at the time was Knight of Malta Georgetown Jesuit trained George J Tenet. Another Key Knight of Malta J. Cardinal Avery Dullas, the nephew of the former head of the CIA Allen Dulles, party to 9/11 and JFK assassination. Lee Harvey Oswald was a member of the CIA. They sent him to Russia (not a defector) working in conjunction with the KGB and also an FBI agent. Avery Dulles was the nephew of Allen Dulles, John Foster Dulles was the brother of Allen Dulles, John Foster Dulles was the father of Avery Dulles. Jesuits aim for alll nations to serve the pope IN Jerusalem with a world government in Jerusalem. In defending JFK this shows the Jesuits will kill their own Roman Catholic people to further their purposes. (to be continued the next day which would include information about the assassination of JFK--but I didn't get to listen to it)
http://www.vaticanassassins.org
--Eric John Phelps--coming out in July a new edition of his book Vatican Assassins: Wounded in the House of My Friends
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Thursday, August 31, 2006
Slyvester
From http://theresistancemanifesto.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1344&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
The bottom line on whether someone or a church is worshipping Satan or not is this: Are they believers saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone and what He did to pay for our sins at Calvary with His blood? IF NOT, their worship is directed toward Satan, because that's all God is asking of us today...just that we believe in His Son and what He did for us on the Cross. He won't accept anything less or anything more. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast." Eph. 2: 8, 9. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that works are required in order to stay in a "state of grace" fit for heaven. They're not preaching the gospel of today; so Satan happily accepts their "worship," glorying in the fact that those that believe the Catholic teachings and live by them are DOOMED. Accept the free gift of salvation for simply believing in Christ. Acts 16:31; Romans 3:22; Galatians 2:16.
Believe and Live,
Sylvester
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From http://theresistancemanifesto.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1121
Well put, Websuspect. This is the standard rebuttal of the Catholic Church apologists. BUT, the Roman Catholic Church, and most of Protestantism (who've taken their cue from the RCC) are laboring under the WRONG GOSPEL. Jesus Christ came the first time ONLY UNTO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL. Matt. 15:24. He came to fulfill the promises made unto the fathers. Rom. 15:8. His Life fulfilled the feast days that God gave Israel, all except for the Day of Atonement, the Feast of Trumpets, and the Feast of Tabernacles, which will be fulfilled at His 2nd Coming. One of the feast days that He did fulfill at His 1st Coming was the Feast of Passover in which He became Israel's true Passover Lamb sacrifice. Just like Israel needed to eat the bread that God sent them from heaven (the manna) when they were in the desert wilderness, they needed to sacrifice and eat the Passover Lamb in order to stay in Covenant with God. When Jesus came here Himself, Israel needed to accept Him right into themselves as their fathers had done with the manna and the Passover lambs in order to be part of the New Covenant that He made with them in His Blood.
It's purely symbolic, of course, anything else would be paganism. But the important thing to understand is that Jesus Christ said this to His chosen nation, ISRAEL! It was in direct relation to the prophetic program He had with them. Of course, many of them were so obtuse they had no clue what He was getting at, just like today. Jesus also called Himself the Living Water, the Door, the Vine, etc., but didn't literally mean it in a physical sense. The gospel Christ preached while on earth in His nation of Israel was one of faith in His Name plus doing something to prove it...water baptism, obey commandments, sell all, etc. But even after being given another chance after they crucified Him (Father forgive them, etc.), they still blew it and even stoned Stephen while he was filled with the Holy Spirit. But instead of the scheduled tribulation coming to pass, God began to do something different by offering salvation to the Gentiles w/o going through Israel's program. He did this by converting Paul and giving him a new gospel...our gospel...a Gospel of the Grace of God to all mankind with salvation as a free gift for believing that Christ died for our sins...no works required. We still commemorate the Lord's Supper with bread and wine to 'shew the Lord's death til He come,' but that's all it is, a symbol, a memorial.
The terms of salvation are so simple and are nothing like all the requirements that Israel had to perform in order to gain everlasting life in the Kingdom. Our gospel and our doctrines are found ONLY IN PAUL'S EPISTLES. We are the Body of Christ formed by his gospel, not Israel, or even 'spiritual Israel.' The 4 gospels, much of the Book of Acts, and Hebrews through Revelation are all written as doctrine about the Gospel of the Kingdom that God had for ISRAEL. How else could Paul say that we are saved by faith w/o works, and James could say we are not saved by faith only but by works also? That contradicts each other, but there is a simple answer...each author is writing to a different group of people: Paul to us, the Body of Christ; and James to 'the 12 tribes scattered abroad' James 1:1 (or the remnant of Israel in the Tribulation.) THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH HAS GOT TO STOP MIXING THESE TWO GOSPELS TOGETHER! Satan loves the confusion, disillusionment, and downright not-saved status this causes. STOP THIS BIGGEST OF ALL CONSPIRACIES AND THE REST WILL FALL INTO PLACE FOR YOU! Best wishes for your understanding,
Sylvester
The bottom line on whether someone or a church is worshipping Satan or not is this: Are they believers saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone and what He did to pay for our sins at Calvary with His blood? IF NOT, their worship is directed toward Satan, because that's all God is asking of us today...just that we believe in His Son and what He did for us on the Cross. He won't accept anything less or anything more. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast." Eph. 2: 8, 9. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that works are required in order to stay in a "state of grace" fit for heaven. They're not preaching the gospel of today; so Satan happily accepts their "worship," glorying in the fact that those that believe the Catholic teachings and live by them are DOOMED. Accept the free gift of salvation for simply believing in Christ. Acts 16:31; Romans 3:22; Galatians 2:16.
Believe and Live,
Sylvester
________________
From http://theresistancemanifesto.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1121
Well put, Websuspect. This is the standard rebuttal of the Catholic Church apologists. BUT, the Roman Catholic Church, and most of Protestantism (who've taken their cue from the RCC) are laboring under the WRONG GOSPEL. Jesus Christ came the first time ONLY UNTO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL. Matt. 15:24. He came to fulfill the promises made unto the fathers. Rom. 15:8. His Life fulfilled the feast days that God gave Israel, all except for the Day of Atonement, the Feast of Trumpets, and the Feast of Tabernacles, which will be fulfilled at His 2nd Coming. One of the feast days that He did fulfill at His 1st Coming was the Feast of Passover in which He became Israel's true Passover Lamb sacrifice. Just like Israel needed to eat the bread that God sent them from heaven (the manna) when they were in the desert wilderness, they needed to sacrifice and eat the Passover Lamb in order to stay in Covenant with God. When Jesus came here Himself, Israel needed to accept Him right into themselves as their fathers had done with the manna and the Passover lambs in order to be part of the New Covenant that He made with them in His Blood.
It's purely symbolic, of course, anything else would be paganism. But the important thing to understand is that Jesus Christ said this to His chosen nation, ISRAEL! It was in direct relation to the prophetic program He had with them. Of course, many of them were so obtuse they had no clue what He was getting at, just like today. Jesus also called Himself the Living Water, the Door, the Vine, etc., but didn't literally mean it in a physical sense. The gospel Christ preached while on earth in His nation of Israel was one of faith in His Name plus doing something to prove it...water baptism, obey commandments, sell all, etc. But even after being given another chance after they crucified Him (Father forgive them, etc.), they still blew it and even stoned Stephen while he was filled with the Holy Spirit. But instead of the scheduled tribulation coming to pass, God began to do something different by offering salvation to the Gentiles w/o going through Israel's program. He did this by converting Paul and giving him a new gospel...our gospel...a Gospel of the Grace of God to all mankind with salvation as a free gift for believing that Christ died for our sins...no works required. We still commemorate the Lord's Supper with bread and wine to 'shew the Lord's death til He come,' but that's all it is, a symbol, a memorial.
The terms of salvation are so simple and are nothing like all the requirements that Israel had to perform in order to gain everlasting life in the Kingdom. Our gospel and our doctrines are found ONLY IN PAUL'S EPISTLES. We are the Body of Christ formed by his gospel, not Israel, or even 'spiritual Israel.' The 4 gospels, much of the Book of Acts, and Hebrews through Revelation are all written as doctrine about the Gospel of the Kingdom that God had for ISRAEL. How else could Paul say that we are saved by faith w/o works, and James could say we are not saved by faith only but by works also? That contradicts each other, but there is a simple answer...each author is writing to a different group of people: Paul to us, the Body of Christ; and James to 'the 12 tribes scattered abroad' James 1:1 (or the remnant of Israel in the Tribulation.) THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH HAS GOT TO STOP MIXING THESE TWO GOSPELS TOGETHER! Satan loves the confusion, disillusionment, and downright not-saved status this causes. STOP THIS BIGGEST OF ALL CONSPIRACIES AND THE REST WILL FALL INTO PLACE FOR YOU! Best wishes for your understanding,
Sylvester
British Ministry Of Truth Wants To Prosecute American Bloggers
From http://infowars.net/articles/August2006/310806prosecute.htm
British Ministry Of Truth Wants To Prosecute American Bloggers
If our Government doesn't like your news you may be a criminal, Next things to be banned on planes may be newspapers
Steve Watson / Infowars August 31 2006
The decision made by the New York Times to block British readers from seeing an article detailing the liquid terror plot suspects has raised vital questions regarding freedom of information in this country and within cyberspace.
The New York Times said on Tuesday it had blocked British Internet readers from seeing a story detailing elements of the investigation into a suspected plot to blow up airliners between Britain and the United States.
However, this raises the question, what action could be taken against anyone else in America who posts details of the information on their own blog or website?
Well it turns out that you could be prosecuted by the redcoat government.
"There has not been a prosecution for contempt over anybody publishing outside this jurisdiction (Britain), but logically there is no reason why there should not be," said Caroline Kean, partner at UK media law firm Wiggin.
This means that should Alex Jones or Jeff Rense, or anyone in the alternative media in America, post the New York Times story online for all to see then they could face criminal proceedings.
The official reason the story was banned is because it may influence jurors and prevent suspects receiving a "fair trial."
The story reportedly raised questions over the authenticity of the entire plot and suggested that an attempt to blow up the airliners was not as imminent as authorities had suggested.
Any juror in this case that would be influenced by such information would no doubt also be influenced by the furor that the government has made out the alleged plot and its own milking to death of it in an attempt to fear-monger the British public into total subservience and acquiescence.
Whilst many people in this country seem to be scared to death and accepting of whatever the authorities tell them is going to happen, many more seem to have finally woken up and are able to see straight through the mist of lies and spin, doubting that any plot ever existed in the first place.
A Guardian/ICM poll last week revealed that just 20% of British voters believe the government is telling the truth about the threat to bomb transatlantic airliners using liquid explosives - meaning 80% of the country do not trust Blair and the war on terror agenda.
This means that it's OK for the government to make public whatever information it sees fit and influence the trials of the suspects as well as shaping public opinion, but for anyone else to do so, either in the UK or in other countries, is a criminal offence.
British newspapers the Times and the Daily Mail also published details from the New York Times article. According to a Reuters report, a government source said no injunctions had been taken out against the British papers, but action could not be ruled out.
So what happens if you attempt to bring a copy of the New York Times in on a plane? Is that terrorism now? Should newspapers be banned on all flights as well as baby milk and i-pods?
This highlights how much of a threat our governments now see the internet as. The free flow of information between people around the world is breaking down and dissipating the lies and spin that they have come to rely on to plough ahead with their chosen foreign and domestic agendas.
This week it has also been revealed that Government spending on spin has almost quadrupled since Labour came to power nine years ago. The Government spent £154 million on advertising over the past 12 months – making it the third biggest advertising outlet in the country in front of almost every major global corporation that has a UK base.
It is telling that the government feels that only by keeping people entirely in the dark and suffocating them with their own brand of propaganda can they operate without hindrance. This blackout media, a tactic regularly used in Communist China, is transgressing borders now and targeting the individual citizen, regardless of the sovereign laws of their country. Is any of this indicative of a free society?
British Ministry Of Truth Wants To Prosecute American Bloggers
If our Government doesn't like your news you may be a criminal, Next things to be banned on planes may be newspapers
Steve Watson / Infowars August 31 2006
The decision made by the New York Times to block British readers from seeing an article detailing the liquid terror plot suspects has raised vital questions regarding freedom of information in this country and within cyberspace.
The New York Times said on Tuesday it had blocked British Internet readers from seeing a story detailing elements of the investigation into a suspected plot to blow up airliners between Britain and the United States.
However, this raises the question, what action could be taken against anyone else in America who posts details of the information on their own blog or website?
Well it turns out that you could be prosecuted by the redcoat government.
"There has not been a prosecution for contempt over anybody publishing outside this jurisdiction (Britain), but logically there is no reason why there should not be," said Caroline Kean, partner at UK media law firm Wiggin.
This means that should Alex Jones or Jeff Rense, or anyone in the alternative media in America, post the New York Times story online for all to see then they could face criminal proceedings.
The official reason the story was banned is because it may influence jurors and prevent suspects receiving a "fair trial."
The story reportedly raised questions over the authenticity of the entire plot and suggested that an attempt to blow up the airliners was not as imminent as authorities had suggested.
Any juror in this case that would be influenced by such information would no doubt also be influenced by the furor that the government has made out the alleged plot and its own milking to death of it in an attempt to fear-monger the British public into total subservience and acquiescence.
Whilst many people in this country seem to be scared to death and accepting of whatever the authorities tell them is going to happen, many more seem to have finally woken up and are able to see straight through the mist of lies and spin, doubting that any plot ever existed in the first place.
A Guardian/ICM poll last week revealed that just 20% of British voters believe the government is telling the truth about the threat to bomb transatlantic airliners using liquid explosives - meaning 80% of the country do not trust Blair and the war on terror agenda.
This means that it's OK for the government to make public whatever information it sees fit and influence the trials of the suspects as well as shaping public opinion, but for anyone else to do so, either in the UK or in other countries, is a criminal offence.
British newspapers the Times and the Daily Mail also published details from the New York Times article. According to a Reuters report, a government source said no injunctions had been taken out against the British papers, but action could not be ruled out.
So what happens if you attempt to bring a copy of the New York Times in on a plane? Is that terrorism now? Should newspapers be banned on all flights as well as baby milk and i-pods?
This highlights how much of a threat our governments now see the internet as. The free flow of information between people around the world is breaking down and dissipating the lies and spin that they have come to rely on to plough ahead with their chosen foreign and domestic agendas.
This week it has also been revealed that Government spending on spin has almost quadrupled since Labour came to power nine years ago. The Government spent £154 million on advertising over the past 12 months – making it the third biggest advertising outlet in the country in front of almost every major global corporation that has a UK base.
It is telling that the government feels that only by keeping people entirely in the dark and suffocating them with their own brand of propaganda can they operate without hindrance. This blackout media, a tactic regularly used in Communist China, is transgressing borders now and targeting the individual citizen, regardless of the sovereign laws of their country. Is any of this indicative of a free society?
Methodists Sell Out to the Mother of Harlots! by David J. Stewart
From http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Apostasy/methodists.htm
Methodists Sell Out to the Mother of Harlots!
By David J. Stewart August 2006
Be Ye Not Unequally Yoked!
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord..." -2nd Corinthians 6:14-17
There are NO religions any more damnable than the Catholic Church. Whether Roman or Orthodox Catholic, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men. Jesus said in Mark 7:7, "Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." So why does the Vatican continue to make their own doctrines? For example: Pope Pius XII made the ASSUMPTION OF MARY an official doctrine of the Catholic church in 1950. Of course, this ridiculous doctrine is no where taught in the Word of God. It's hard to image that any professed "Christian" could come to any type of "AGREEMENT" with the Catholics. Notice 2nd Corinthians 6:16 once more, "And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?" What agreement? Yet, as you will read below, the Methodists came to an AGREEMENT with the Catholics last month concerning justification by faith. The following news release is from the CATHOLIC NEWS AGENCY...
Methodists adopt Catholic-Lutheran declaration on justification
Seoul, Jul. 25, 2006 (CNA) - In a historic step on the road toward Christian unity, the World Methodist Conference adopted the Catholic-Lutheran joint declaration on justification July 23. The declaration had been previously approved by the Vatican and the Lutheran World Federation in 1999.
Cardinal Walter Kasper, president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, called the signing in Seoul, South Korea, “historic” and “a gift of God.”
The agreement on justification, which explains how people are made just in the eyes of God and saved by Jesus Christ, "provides a basis for a more profound common witness before the world," the cardinal reportedly said at the signing.
Two representatives from each of the three church bodies signed the agreement.
Cardinal Kasper expressed his hope that the joint agreement would lead to a commitment to deepen common prayer; to continue theological dialogue, and to “an increase in joint witness to the Gospel of Jesus Christ." ...
The agreement between the Methodists, Lutherans, and Catholics is evil. It's called "ecumenism" and God hates it! Ecumenicalism is the doctrine of Balaam (Revelation 2:14). Balaam's heresy caused God's people to yoke together with the godless Moabites (Numbers 25:1). As a result, 24,000 Israelites were slain. Ecumenism is the exact opposite of Biblical separation, and they are diametrically opposed to each other. As believers, we are commanded in Ephesians 5:11 to "refute" (Greek, elencho, which means "to EXPOSE") all works of darkness, and not fellowship with them. The Methodists are sinfully fellowshipping with the Devil's gang. Catholicism is straight out of the pits of Hell.
Methodists Have Defiled the Temple of God!
With all the bowing to statues (Exodus 20:4-5), praying the Rosary of vain repetitions (Matthew 6:7), calling the priest "Father" (Matthew 23:9), being forbidden to eat any meat but fish on Fridays (1st Timothy 4:1-3), confessing sins to the priest (1st Timothy 2:5), and trusting in the demonic seven-sacraments to save them (Ephesians 2:8-9)--why would any Christian bid the monstrous Catholic Church God's blessings by signing an agreement with them? Again, what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? Carefully read 1st Corinthians 3:17, "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are." The temple of God is each and every born again believer. So then agreement do born again believers have with the idolatrous Catholic religion? NONE!!! Now either the Methodists aren't truly believers, or else they are sinfully yoking together with unbelievers.
Satan loves it when Christians unite with the sinful world. Thus, Satan loves Christian rock music. Satan loves feminist theology. Satan loves openly homosexual ministers. Satan loves Christianity Today for endorsing Harry Potter's witchcraft. Satan loves Jack Van Impe for saying that Pope John Paul II was one of the greatest men of the 20th century. No, Pope John Paul II was the greatest fraud and liar of the 20th century, and he is burning in Hell fire this moment! But you say, that's not a very nice thing to say. Maybe not, but it is the TRUTH, and I don't want you to go to Hell with him. I plead with you to follow the Word of God alone, and not some damnable religion like Catholicism. The Mary of Catholicism is NOT the Mary presented to us in the Bible. The Catholics have created a monster, which Revelation calls, "The Great Mother of Harlots." Jesus' mother was a sinner (Romans 3:23), and she certainly did NOT remain a virgin (Matthew 13:55,56), and she cannot intercede for us in Heaven (1st Timothy 2:5). So where does the Vatican find all these juicy lies? They are manmade doctrines NOT found in God's Word. Who are you going to trust, men or God? ... "It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man."
Apostate World Council of Churches Considers Catholics "Christians"
The article goes on to state...
As a guest speaker, Methodist Rev. Dr. Samuel Kobia, general secretary of the World Council of Churches, said the signing was “a giant step to … overcoming Christian divisions.”
What apostasy!!! "Christian divisions"? Let me state adamantly friend that Catholicism is NOT Christian! We read in 2nd Corinthians 11:13-14, "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." God warns us in His Word that Satan is a master deceiver, a ravening wolf, who always comes to us in sheep's clothing. Matthew 7:14 warns, "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." Satan is a spirit, and the world is saturated with his evil spirit (2nd Corinthians 4:4; 1st John 5:19). The Catholic Church is of the Devil--having religion without truth, and churchianity without Christianity. They bow to idols; yet hypocritically claim they are not worshipping them. They say 53 "Hail Mary's" in each standard Rosary; yet deny praying in vain repetitions. They call the priest "Father," when Matthew 23:9 strictly forbids it. Catholicism is a prisonhouse of religion!!! Oh the deception and the blindness upon their eyes because of the hardness of their hearts!
The division between Christians and Catholics is a division between Light and darkness, between Heaven and Hell, between saved and unsaved, between believer and unbeliever. It is NOT a "Christian division" because Catholicism is of the Devil. Every unsaved Jehovah's Witness and Mormon believe the basic Gospel; but they ADD works to faith, as do the Catholics; thus, corrupting the simple Gospel. We are warned in 2nd Corinthians 11:3-4, "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." Catholicism preaches ANOTHER GOSPEL, which is a sure road to Hell paved with good intentions. Just because Catholics agree with justification by faith means NOTHING when they ADD all their self-righteous works to it. Listen to what God says about man's self-righteousness in Isaiah 64:6, "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags..." You don't need works to be saved!
Conclusion
Shame on any professed "Christians" who dare fellowship and come to an agreement with the damned Catholic Church. "And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?" (2nd Corinthians 6:16). Ecumenism is a two-headed monster! God NEVER told us in the Bible to compromise or dip-our-sails to appease the unbelieving world. No sir! What the Methodist and Lutheran Churches have done by signing an agreement with the Catholic Religion has identified them clearly as the "harlots" of "The Mother of Harlots." Revelation 17:5reads, "And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." Lutheranism is nothing more than diet Catholicism. Martin Luther was a heretic and went to Hell. Luther clearly believed and taught Baptismal Regeneration. Martin Luther worshipped Mary.
God NEVER told us to compromise our beliefs, standards, or convictions to win the lost. The World Council of Churches is as apostate as Satan himself. To attempt to unite, or even find a common denominator, between Satanic false religion and genuine Christianity is like trying to unite a hungry wolf with a defenseless lamb because they're both animals. Many false religions believe the basic Gospel; but they corrupt it by adding to it, or by redefining truth into lies. Even Mr. Charismatic ecumenicalism himself, Benny Hinn, presents the basic Gospel on his website. Yet, he publickly endorsed Catholicism's Our Lady of Fatima (the Queen of Heaven) on the Larry King Live show. Hinn states that he grew up Catholic, and by all indications is still Catholic. Hinn appears to be a little bit of everything these days ... whatever it takes to keep the money flowing in. His Satanic ministry takes in over $100,000,000 a year. People are so gullible. Hinn is to the Charismatic Movement what Billy Graham has been to the Evangelical Movement--both preaching the ecumenical doctrine of Balaam! The Devil is working relentlessly in these last days to blur the lines between the Truth of God's Word and false religion's lies. The hidden agenda of the Ecumenical Movement is a one-world religion, which will ultimately have people worshipping the Beast when he arrives. The average person is walking in total spiritual darkness nowadays.
Please read again what the Word of God states concerning ecumenism, and let's preach it loud and without apology...
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord..." -2nd Corinthians 6:14-17
Hail Mary! Hail Satan!
Ye Must Be Born Again!
Methodists Sell Out to the Mother of Harlots!
By David J. Stewart August 2006
Be Ye Not Unequally Yoked!
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord..." -2nd Corinthians 6:14-17
There are NO religions any more damnable than the Catholic Church. Whether Roman or Orthodox Catholic, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men. Jesus said in Mark 7:7, "Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." So why does the Vatican continue to make their own doctrines? For example: Pope Pius XII made the ASSUMPTION OF MARY an official doctrine of the Catholic church in 1950. Of course, this ridiculous doctrine is no where taught in the Word of God. It's hard to image that any professed "Christian" could come to any type of "AGREEMENT" with the Catholics. Notice 2nd Corinthians 6:16 once more, "And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?" What agreement? Yet, as you will read below, the Methodists came to an AGREEMENT with the Catholics last month concerning justification by faith. The following news release is from the CATHOLIC NEWS AGENCY...
Methodists adopt Catholic-Lutheran declaration on justification
Seoul, Jul. 25, 2006 (CNA) - In a historic step on the road toward Christian unity, the World Methodist Conference adopted the Catholic-Lutheran joint declaration on justification July 23. The declaration had been previously approved by the Vatican and the Lutheran World Federation in 1999.
Cardinal Walter Kasper, president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, called the signing in Seoul, South Korea, “historic” and “a gift of God.”
The agreement on justification, which explains how people are made just in the eyes of God and saved by Jesus Christ, "provides a basis for a more profound common witness before the world," the cardinal reportedly said at the signing.
Two representatives from each of the three church bodies signed the agreement.
Cardinal Kasper expressed his hope that the joint agreement would lead to a commitment to deepen common prayer; to continue theological dialogue, and to “an increase in joint witness to the Gospel of Jesus Christ." ...
The agreement between the Methodists, Lutherans, and Catholics is evil. It's called "ecumenism" and God hates it! Ecumenicalism is the doctrine of Balaam (Revelation 2:14). Balaam's heresy caused God's people to yoke together with the godless Moabites (Numbers 25:1). As a result, 24,000 Israelites were slain. Ecumenism is the exact opposite of Biblical separation, and they are diametrically opposed to each other. As believers, we are commanded in Ephesians 5:11 to "refute" (Greek, elencho, which means "to EXPOSE") all works of darkness, and not fellowship with them. The Methodists are sinfully fellowshipping with the Devil's gang. Catholicism is straight out of the pits of Hell.
Methodists Have Defiled the Temple of God!
With all the bowing to statues (Exodus 20:4-5), praying the Rosary of vain repetitions (Matthew 6:7), calling the priest "Father" (Matthew 23:9), being forbidden to eat any meat but fish on Fridays (1st Timothy 4:1-3), confessing sins to the priest (1st Timothy 2:5), and trusting in the demonic seven-sacraments to save them (Ephesians 2:8-9)--why would any Christian bid the monstrous Catholic Church God's blessings by signing an agreement with them? Again, what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? Carefully read 1st Corinthians 3:17, "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are." The temple of God is each and every born again believer. So then agreement do born again believers have with the idolatrous Catholic religion? NONE!!! Now either the Methodists aren't truly believers, or else they are sinfully yoking together with unbelievers.
Satan loves it when Christians unite with the sinful world. Thus, Satan loves Christian rock music. Satan loves feminist theology. Satan loves openly homosexual ministers. Satan loves Christianity Today for endorsing Harry Potter's witchcraft. Satan loves Jack Van Impe for saying that Pope John Paul II was one of the greatest men of the 20th century. No, Pope John Paul II was the greatest fraud and liar of the 20th century, and he is burning in Hell fire this moment! But you say, that's not a very nice thing to say. Maybe not, but it is the TRUTH, and I don't want you to go to Hell with him. I plead with you to follow the Word of God alone, and not some damnable religion like Catholicism. The Mary of Catholicism is NOT the Mary presented to us in the Bible. The Catholics have created a monster, which Revelation calls, "The Great Mother of Harlots." Jesus' mother was a sinner (Romans 3:23), and she certainly did NOT remain a virgin (Matthew 13:55,56), and she cannot intercede for us in Heaven (1st Timothy 2:5). So where does the Vatican find all these juicy lies? They are manmade doctrines NOT found in God's Word. Who are you going to trust, men or God? ... "It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man."
Apostate World Council of Churches Considers Catholics "Christians"
The article goes on to state...
As a guest speaker, Methodist Rev. Dr. Samuel Kobia, general secretary of the World Council of Churches, said the signing was “a giant step to … overcoming Christian divisions.”
What apostasy!!! "Christian divisions"? Let me state adamantly friend that Catholicism is NOT Christian! We read in 2nd Corinthians 11:13-14, "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." God warns us in His Word that Satan is a master deceiver, a ravening wolf, who always comes to us in sheep's clothing. Matthew 7:14 warns, "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." Satan is a spirit, and the world is saturated with his evil spirit (2nd Corinthians 4:4; 1st John 5:19). The Catholic Church is of the Devil--having religion without truth, and churchianity without Christianity. They bow to idols; yet hypocritically claim they are not worshipping them. They say 53 "Hail Mary's" in each standard Rosary; yet deny praying in vain repetitions. They call the priest "Father," when Matthew 23:9 strictly forbids it. Catholicism is a prisonhouse of religion!!! Oh the deception and the blindness upon their eyes because of the hardness of their hearts!
The division between Christians and Catholics is a division between Light and darkness, between Heaven and Hell, between saved and unsaved, between believer and unbeliever. It is NOT a "Christian division" because Catholicism is of the Devil. Every unsaved Jehovah's Witness and Mormon believe the basic Gospel; but they ADD works to faith, as do the Catholics; thus, corrupting the simple Gospel. We are warned in 2nd Corinthians 11:3-4, "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." Catholicism preaches ANOTHER GOSPEL, which is a sure road to Hell paved with good intentions. Just because Catholics agree with justification by faith means NOTHING when they ADD all their self-righteous works to it. Listen to what God says about man's self-righteousness in Isaiah 64:6, "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags..." You don't need works to be saved!
Conclusion
Shame on any professed "Christians" who dare fellowship and come to an agreement with the damned Catholic Church. "And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?" (2nd Corinthians 6:16). Ecumenism is a two-headed monster! God NEVER told us in the Bible to compromise or dip-our-sails to appease the unbelieving world. No sir! What the Methodist and Lutheran Churches have done by signing an agreement with the Catholic Religion has identified them clearly as the "harlots" of "The Mother of Harlots." Revelation 17:5reads, "And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." Lutheranism is nothing more than diet Catholicism. Martin Luther was a heretic and went to Hell. Luther clearly believed and taught Baptismal Regeneration. Martin Luther worshipped Mary.
God NEVER told us to compromise our beliefs, standards, or convictions to win the lost. The World Council of Churches is as apostate as Satan himself. To attempt to unite, or even find a common denominator, between Satanic false religion and genuine Christianity is like trying to unite a hungry wolf with a defenseless lamb because they're both animals. Many false religions believe the basic Gospel; but they corrupt it by adding to it, or by redefining truth into lies. Even Mr. Charismatic ecumenicalism himself, Benny Hinn, presents the basic Gospel on his website. Yet, he publickly endorsed Catholicism's Our Lady of Fatima (the Queen of Heaven) on the Larry King Live show. Hinn states that he grew up Catholic, and by all indications is still Catholic. Hinn appears to be a little bit of everything these days ... whatever it takes to keep the money flowing in. His Satanic ministry takes in over $100,000,000 a year. People are so gullible. Hinn is to the Charismatic Movement what Billy Graham has been to the Evangelical Movement--both preaching the ecumenical doctrine of Balaam! The Devil is working relentlessly in these last days to blur the lines between the Truth of God's Word and false religion's lies. The hidden agenda of the Ecumenical Movement is a one-world religion, which will ultimately have people worshipping the Beast when he arrives. The average person is walking in total spiritual darkness nowadays.
Please read again what the Word of God states concerning ecumenism, and let's preach it loud and without apology...
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord..." -2nd Corinthians 6:14-17
Hail Mary! Hail Satan!
Ye Must Be Born Again!
Jesuit information
From http://14.freebb.com/unhivedmind/unhivedmind-article2156.html
It would not surprise me if the Order created some tsumanis to be used against the California and Oregon coasts. These targets too must be softened so as to remove civilian populations that would resist the coming Chinese invaders. Further, there is a large Jewish population in Los Angeles that would be decimated with a tsunami, while further weakening California from the lawless Roman Catholic Mexican Azlan anti-WASP, anti-Jew invaders. Further, if I were the Jesuit General, I would demolish the Hoover Dam---named after that wicked sinner of a Bolshevik, Herbert Hoover---, thereby destroying Las Vegas via a slow dehydration creating more anarchy, yet not damaging our commercial infrastructure primarily in the Roman Catholic Northeast. It is most interesting that Area 51's highest technology has been moved South to a lesser known Nevada location.
Sincerely in Faith,
Brother Eric
____________________
From http://14.freebb.com/unhivedmind/unhivedmind-article1816.html
I never said the Jesuits were created by Illuminati. The Jesuits were created by Inigo de Loyola (Loyola Ignatius) the first Black Pope as a miltary order for The Vatican. The Jesuits structure was based on The Assassins from the Middle East as are all who are in power right now. They were created in 1534 to serve the Vatican. In 1870 they took control of the Vatican with the Doctrine of Infallibility and have ruled them ever since. When anyone from the Vatican speaks of The Society of Jesus they have to bow their heads which annoys them greatly. Their annoyed that Jesus's name is added to an Order but theres not a damn thing they can do about it, if they attempt to their killed. Jesuits own Freemasonry and own the modern Templars. Infact The Jesuits created The Scottish Rite of Freemasonry (New Templars and Shriners). They created the first 25 degrees in the College of Claremont, Paris France. They created the last 8 degrees whilst shielded by Fredrick The Great in Prussia. So my friend whoever is in freemasonry wether York or Scottish is controlled by The Jesuit Order. The Black Pope is the real leader of all freemasonry.
-2tuff
____________________
From http://14.freebb.com/unhivedmind/unhivedmind-article1336.html
Dear Henry,
Thank you for contacting me and I shall reply below.
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:47 AM
Subject: from Henry Makow
Eric, Thanks for your comments on my latest effort. We are mostly in agreement except I am still ignorant of the complete role of the jesuits and Black Pope. Where does Ratzinger fit into this picture?
Ratzinger has always been intimate with the German Jesuits, Robert Leiber and Augustin Bea being two of them. He was ordained to the priesthood by Pius XII's Archbishop of Munich, Michael Cardinal von Faulhaber---the man who brought Hitler to power in Bavaria.
Part of my problem is that Jewish power is so visible but Jesuits power seems veiled.
That is always the Order's intended perception for the creation of more anti-Jewish fury among the nations. The Bolshevik revolution is the classic case in point. Few know of the Jesuit Bishop Ropp and his power during that upheaval. The Revolution had to be given a Jewish open and notorious leadership so as to make the Protocols believable, thereby justifying the Nazi invasion of the USSR in the attempted fulfillment of the false prophecy of the 1917 Fatima Hoax (i.e. the conversion of Orthodox Russia to Romanism).
David Livingstone is a Canadian of Jamaican and French Canadian descent. He is a Muslim by religion and not a Jesuits asset! I know him personally.
Thank you for the correction and I have apologized to him for that charge. It was a calculated response to his reducing VA to a laughing matter by calling it "ludicrous."
Is there anywhere I can get your book at a reasonable price?
If you desire, I will send you a gratis CD of the second edition as I have no more books.
Best wishes,
henry
Sincerely in Faith,
Brother Eric
______________________
It would not surprise me if the Order created some tsumanis to be used against the California and Oregon coasts. These targets too must be softened so as to remove civilian populations that would resist the coming Chinese invaders. Further, there is a large Jewish population in Los Angeles that would be decimated with a tsunami, while further weakening California from the lawless Roman Catholic Mexican Azlan anti-WASP, anti-Jew invaders. Further, if I were the Jesuit General, I would demolish the Hoover Dam---named after that wicked sinner of a Bolshevik, Herbert Hoover---, thereby destroying Las Vegas via a slow dehydration creating more anarchy, yet not damaging our commercial infrastructure primarily in the Roman Catholic Northeast. It is most interesting that Area 51's highest technology has been moved South to a lesser known Nevada location.
Sincerely in Faith,
Brother Eric
____________________
From http://14.freebb.com/unhivedmind/unhivedmind-article1816.html
I never said the Jesuits were created by Illuminati. The Jesuits were created by Inigo de Loyola (Loyola Ignatius) the first Black Pope as a miltary order for The Vatican. The Jesuits structure was based on The Assassins from the Middle East as are all who are in power right now. They were created in 1534 to serve the Vatican. In 1870 they took control of the Vatican with the Doctrine of Infallibility and have ruled them ever since. When anyone from the Vatican speaks of The Society of Jesus they have to bow their heads which annoys them greatly. Their annoyed that Jesus's name is added to an Order but theres not a damn thing they can do about it, if they attempt to their killed. Jesuits own Freemasonry and own the modern Templars. Infact The Jesuits created The Scottish Rite of Freemasonry (New Templars and Shriners). They created the first 25 degrees in the College of Claremont, Paris France. They created the last 8 degrees whilst shielded by Fredrick The Great in Prussia. So my friend whoever is in freemasonry wether York or Scottish is controlled by The Jesuit Order. The Black Pope is the real leader of all freemasonry.
-2tuff
____________________
From http://14.freebb.com/unhivedmind/unhivedmind-article1336.html
Dear Henry,
Thank you for contacting me and I shall reply below.
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:47 AM
Subject: from Henry Makow
Eric, Thanks for your comments on my latest effort. We are mostly in agreement except I am still ignorant of the complete role of the jesuits and Black Pope. Where does Ratzinger fit into this picture?
Ratzinger has always been intimate with the German Jesuits, Robert Leiber and Augustin Bea being two of them. He was ordained to the priesthood by Pius XII's Archbishop of Munich, Michael Cardinal von Faulhaber---the man who brought Hitler to power in Bavaria.
Part of my problem is that Jewish power is so visible but Jesuits power seems veiled.
That is always the Order's intended perception for the creation of more anti-Jewish fury among the nations. The Bolshevik revolution is the classic case in point. Few know of the Jesuit Bishop Ropp and his power during that upheaval. The Revolution had to be given a Jewish open and notorious leadership so as to make the Protocols believable, thereby justifying the Nazi invasion of the USSR in the attempted fulfillment of the false prophecy of the 1917 Fatima Hoax (i.e. the conversion of Orthodox Russia to Romanism).
David Livingstone is a Canadian of Jamaican and French Canadian descent. He is a Muslim by religion and not a Jesuits asset! I know him personally.
Thank you for the correction and I have apologized to him for that charge. It was a calculated response to his reducing VA to a laughing matter by calling it "ludicrous."
Is there anywhere I can get your book at a reasonable price?
If you desire, I will send you a gratis CD of the second edition as I have no more books.
Best wishes,
henry
Sincerely in Faith,
Brother Eric
______________________
From http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=7792
Bro. Eric,
I want to thank you for your taking the time to answer my inquiries. You are a gentleman and a tireless worker. There are a couple of minor points I'll respond to later, but nothing major.I wanted to throw this up to you. With all this hype about Iran and its nuclear possibiliies, according to the Biblical context of the seven-year tribulation period Iran (the Medes) will be a nuclear power to be dealt with, along with Russia and her allies.
Agreed. Just before mid-trib when Gog of Magog, prince of Rosh (Russia), Meshech (Moscow) and Tubal (Tubolsk) attacks regathered Israel (Ex.38:8), Persia, i.e., IRAN, will be with Gog. So Iran cannot be destroyed in this Papal Crusade. Its population is to be reduced, while exciting the survivors to attack the Pope's fascist, 14th Amendment American Empire. the aftermath will be a unification with the Pope's Russia, now led by Knight of Malta Vladimir Putin. Remember, the SMOM, aided by the Jesuits, have ruled Russia since the Assassination of Tzar Alexander II in 1881.
These nations are mentioned as coming against Babylon and leaving her as a desert (That reminds me of Vladimir Zhironofsky's quote in Time Magazine years ago when he said, "If anybody messes with me, I'll leave them a parched desert."). What I am saying is that Iran cannot be destroyed,
Agreed.
or at least her nuclear capability taken out, before the appearing of the Lord, since she will play a major role in destroying the great commercial and political Babylon.
First, there is no evidence that atomic bombs can be dropped and detonate as air-bursts. This was not done at Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Both devices were assembled on the ground by Jesuit German physicists, including Jesuit Kleinsorge, overseen by the future Jesuit General, Pedro Arrupe, whose Jesuit master was in control of the Japanese High Command via the Masonic Emperor, Hirohito. (It was for this reason that Hirohito did not allow his Japanese people to surrender during the Summer of 1945; the bombs had to be detonated under cover of an ariel, B-29 bombardment using magnesium flash bombs laced with radioactive materials delivered to Tinian Island by the USS Indianapolis, later deliberately sunk by Admiral Nimitz and the Japanese Navy.) Thus the concept of Airborne Nuclear War is a complete Hoax, created to serve as the foundation for the Pope's Cold War Hoax. Therefore the entire theory that Iran can launch a nuclear missile against Israel is a lie, and thus a pretext for the invasion of Iran as well as Iraq, both nations having been armed by the CFR-controlled US government in the 1980s. (I was stationed with Iranians in Denver in the mid 1970s.)
Besides, there is too much at stake with Russia and China and the rest of the Arab world for the US or Israel to move against Iran. This would cause a domino effect and apocalyptic repercussions typical of the tribulation period.
Disagreed. Since there is no such thing as Ariel Nuclear War (only detonations of pre-set devices when in the proper relation to the sun during its corkscrew, up-and-down circuit of the earth), Iran can easily be invaded as was Iraq. In fact it appears that the possiblilty exists that the US and Russia could act together in the Iranian invasion, Russia be given the oil fields for its military machine, and then the US then turn on one another---as was done between Stalin and HItler over Poland in 1939. There are also 14 permanent US military bases now in Iraq, to be used throughout this anti-Moslem Crusade.
Neither can Israel be destroyed since she will be a major factor in the "covenant with death", i.e. the Antichrist's peace accord (not to mention the fact that God won't allow it.).
Totally Agreed. It is for this reason that I am traduced when I publicly declare that the nation of Israel as it exists today can never be destroyed persuant to Ezekiel 38:8. Once the nation has been reestablished, it cannot be destroyed and then reestablished again.
Wouldn't China be related to the "kings of the East" (which come on the scene during the tribulation) and not the "great nation" and nations out of "the North" which will come against Babylon?
I believe that indeed, China will be the heart of "the kings of the east" who will cross the Euphrates River and attack Israel at the end of the Great Tribulation. But since I do not believe the city of Babylon of Jeremiah 51 and Isaiah 12 is the American Empire (rather I believe that the prophecies have both a present and future reference to the destruction of then city of Babylon and the future city of Rome (spiritual Babylon existing during the Day of the Lord)), China can most definitely be used to attack the US before the Day of the Lord. Presently this is the scenario now unfolding in both China and the US. Knight of Malta Alexander Haig, Jr., is a member of the board of COSCO. Thus the Jesuit Order, in fulfilling its Counter Reformation quest is preparing China---and Japan--- to attack the US as the grand finale of this Third Thirty Years' War.
My question is, Where does China enter in to the destruction of the US? Wouldn't she be acting a little before her time? Or is she just set up as a looming threat to be able to bring about some political "move" predetermined by the Order?
No, China will be used against the US in the future. There is now a huge fifth column on the West Coast, and China now controls the deep water ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach, as well as the locks of the Panama Canal. This is an obvious policy of encirclement, as was done to Germany by France, Britain and Russia prior to WWI. The Kaiser spoke of this policy in his desperate telegrams to cousin, Tzar Nicholas II, after the Tzar, under orders of his Jesuit masters, ordered the mobilization of over 1 million Russian troops on the Prussian border which mobilization ignited WWI.
Yes, I agree with God's judgment on this world as the purpose for the tribulation. However, his judgment is not coming because we as God's people have not "stood up" against oppressive and corrupt govenments, but due to the overall worldwide apostasy and moral corruption, caused by a lukewarm, saltless, cowardly, and corrupted church, e.g. as illustrated by Lot and his family living in Sodom.
Agreed. But you confuse the present judgment of the US with the future judgment of of the nations during the Day of the Lord within the Great Tribulation. My position is that the US, since the days of William McKinley's Spanish-American War, has been "the Sword of the Church" without any serious resistance from the Lord's Protestant and Baptists peoples in this nation. We all ran off to fight the Pope's Second Thirty Years' War (1914-1945) and his Cold War (1945-1989) and now his Third Thirty Years' War (2001-2030?). As mentioned previously, a people is responsible for the actions of its government. WWI, WWII (HItler and Stalin), the Cold War (the US and the USSR's building of its industrial military complexes) was paid for and fought for by the Lord's Bible believing Church led by the papal knights running the country. For this apostasy and aiding Jesuit murder via the CFR-controlled US government, we deserve to be given the treatment of John 15:6---the intended purpose for the Pope's US concentration camps. The only escape from this national judgment is to do exactly what the Covenanters and Presbyterians did in the 1600s---a public confession of sins, enter into covenant with each other as independent churches and then declare our independence. These documents can be found in the addendums of The Westminster Confession of Faith available from Free Presbyterian Publications , 1983.
Standing up to the Order and the Black Nobility families will not make for a more spiritual church on this earth, when she is in love with Hollywood and is filled with covetousness from her head to her toes, and to add, has left the old path long ago.
Thus, repentence is necessary first.
Seceding and forming a new nation will not add to the spiritual testimony and quality of God's people within that new nation.
No, but it will enable us to do what the Puritans did in the 1600s---escape the persecutions intended to destroy us and provide a nation in which we can worship God in obedience to the Reformation Bible---the AV1611.
The world is at the point where she needs to be completely renovated, having the "works that are therein" burned up. You can't put a bandaid on a cancer and expect it to be cured.
No, but we can separate from it and trust the Son of God for protection and his intervention when attacked as did the brethren in England when attacked by the Spanish Armada. There were only 5 million people in England at that time. There are indeed at least 5 million White, English-speaking, Anglo-Saxon Protestant and Baptist Americans who could seceed and form a new nation somewhere here in the US AFTER our repentence and public confession of sins.
My good brother Eric, there is so much false doctrine and satanic activity and corruption on this earth, not to mention "the mystery of iniquity" that is in full force to rule the world, that God's wrath is preparing to be unleashed. "For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh upon the children of disobedience." - Co. 2:6, and "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ." - I Thess. 5:9. ". . . I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." - Rev. 3:10The angel said to Lot, ". . . I cannot do anything till thou be come thither. " - Gen. 19:22. By the way, how did it go on the 9 pm show last night? I tried to download the station, but was unsuccessful.
Pastor Butch Paul only gave me about twenty minutes of time. The Genesis Communications Network is under Jesuit control, even though Pastor Paul was courteous though somewhat apologetic in hosting me.
Bro. Cxxx
Brother Eric
The Painful Lessons Of Hurricane KatrinaGovernment can't, won't protect you
From http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/310806katrina.htm
The Painful Lessons Of Hurricane KatrinaGovernment can't, won't protect you
Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com August 31 2006
One year after Hurricane Katrina and the lessons remain painfully clear - the event paved the way for the standard government response to a crisis - sabotage the rescue efforts, dominate and enslave the victims, then reap the windfall from the tragedy.
Katrina was a trial balloon for widespread gun confiscation under the pretext of a crisis. Following the police chief's announcement that nobody would be "allowed" to be armed - re-writing the 2nd amendment in one sentence - police, national guard and private security thugs began confiscating firearms from owners whose homes were completely undamaged and unaffected by the hurricane in the high and dry areas of the city of New Orleans.
The New York Times reported that the only people allowed to keep their guns were the security squads that had been hired by wealthier residents of New Orleans, which was totally misleading because 99% of these thugs were hired by the federal government. A few billionaires with mansions were able to afford the security but the middle class were not. This report gave the impression that the middle class were not being targeted for gun confiscation and so those readers were put back to sleep.
Katrina was another example of what FEMA does best - deliberately sabotages a crisis and leaves people for dead. Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard's memorable emotional plea on Meet the Press went right to the heart of what FEMA were doing.
"We had Wal-Mart deliver three trucks of water, trailer trucks of water. FEMA turned them back. They said we didn't need them. This was a week ago. FEMA--we had 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel on a Coast Guard vessel docked in my parish. The Coast Guard said, "Come get the fuel right away." When we got there with our trucks, they got a word. "FEMA says don't give you the fuel." Yesterday--yesterday--FEMA comes in and cuts all of our emergency communication lines. They cut them without notice. Our sheriff, Harry Lee, goes back in, he reconnects the line. He posts armed guards on our line and says, "No one is getting near these lines."
Why would FEMA make an already terrible situation worse? Because after every purposefully botched rescue effort that is whitewashed as a lack of resources, FEMA get more funding and more power.
The agenda in New Orleans was about privatizing the police state. Although abuses regularly occur, law enforcement are at least supposed to operate within the realms of the constitution, a definition that can be shifted when private mercenaries are hired to dominate the population - as happened in New Orleans where we saw Blackwater security and even Israeli troops pointing guns at American citizens.
In addition to the Israelis, armed Mexican soldiers entered the US for the first time since 1846 to supposedly provide aid. Conditioning Americans to the perception that foreign troops on US soil policing US citizens in times of emergency is normal was one of the outcomes of this alarming precedent.
The Army Times reported that hurricane survivors who wouldn't leave New Orleans were to be treated as insurgents and that combat operations to eliminate them were undertaken. This is where the so-called 'relief' effort was directed towards - treating American citizens like terrorists and hunting them down simply for wanting to stay in their own homes. And once they were caught, FEMA treated evacuees as internees, registering them and giving them ID cards, preventing them from leaving the internment camps.
The deliberate misappropriation of funds for the emergency was evident from the start when the first three organizations on the government recommended donation list were the American Red Cross, Pat Robertson and Bnai Brith. What a choice! The American Red Cross seize on any disaster as a cash cow the first chance they get as we have previously documented.
Then came Halliburton Brown and Root no bid reconstruction contracts and outsourcing of body recoveries to scandal ridden companies connected to the Bush family who had been caught dumping bodies in the past.
The US government already has developed technology enabling control and reduction of hurricanes but rather than seeking to use it to help people they are only interested in using it as a weapon. Former Naval physicist Ben Livingston briefed President Lyndon B. Johnson on hurricane control technology 40 years ago.
As Bush fiddled with a guitar in a staged photo-op and his wife called the hurricane 'Corrina' in interviews, the rest of his Neo-Con cheerleading gaggle crawled out of the woodwork to attack the victims of the tragedy.
The statements sent spewing from the frothing mouths of the Neo-Cons again betrayed the fact that they were completely devoid of any rational human feelings or grip on reality.
Barbara Bush said the victims were better off after the hurricane than they were before it.
Tom Delay said being forcibly detained in prison camp facilities was kind of fun.
Glenn Beck, the talk show host, said that hurricane victims were scumbags and saying he hated the 9/11 families.
Immediately after 9/11 when we questioned the official version of events these were the same people who were called us crass, insensitive, and an insult to the family members. Now they were the ones calling the same family members scumbags.
Michael Chertoff called Louisiana a city.
Dick Cheney said the hurricane victims were thankful for what the federal government had done to them.
The bottom line on Katrina is that whether you believe it was all incompetence or part incompetence and part malevolence, the lasting pretext is the same. When a disaster takes place, you have no rights and the federal government can arrest you if you don’t follow their every order.
In creating a permanent state of emergency as the Bush administration has attempted to do, this mandates a pervasive and permanent state of martial law where constitutionally guaranteed rights are suspended and rule by force applies.
The horrific suffering of the residents of New Orleans which continues to this day underlines a basic truth - government can't protect you, won't protect you and has no intention of protecting you.
Katrina was the calling card of the New World Order - misery, suffering, death, authoritarianism, police state and finally the elitists cashing their chips in on the devastation.
COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE
The Painful Lessons Of Hurricane KatrinaGovernment can't, won't protect you
Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com August 31 2006
One year after Hurricane Katrina and the lessons remain painfully clear - the event paved the way for the standard government response to a crisis - sabotage the rescue efforts, dominate and enslave the victims, then reap the windfall from the tragedy.
Katrina was a trial balloon for widespread gun confiscation under the pretext of a crisis. Following the police chief's announcement that nobody would be "allowed" to be armed - re-writing the 2nd amendment in one sentence - police, national guard and private security thugs began confiscating firearms from owners whose homes were completely undamaged and unaffected by the hurricane in the high and dry areas of the city of New Orleans.
The New York Times reported that the only people allowed to keep their guns were the security squads that had been hired by wealthier residents of New Orleans, which was totally misleading because 99% of these thugs were hired by the federal government. A few billionaires with mansions were able to afford the security but the middle class were not. This report gave the impression that the middle class were not being targeted for gun confiscation and so those readers were put back to sleep.
Katrina was another example of what FEMA does best - deliberately sabotages a crisis and leaves people for dead. Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard's memorable emotional plea on Meet the Press went right to the heart of what FEMA were doing.
"We had Wal-Mart deliver three trucks of water, trailer trucks of water. FEMA turned them back. They said we didn't need them. This was a week ago. FEMA--we had 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel on a Coast Guard vessel docked in my parish. The Coast Guard said, "Come get the fuel right away." When we got there with our trucks, they got a word. "FEMA says don't give you the fuel." Yesterday--yesterday--FEMA comes in and cuts all of our emergency communication lines. They cut them without notice. Our sheriff, Harry Lee, goes back in, he reconnects the line. He posts armed guards on our line and says, "No one is getting near these lines."
Why would FEMA make an already terrible situation worse? Because after every purposefully botched rescue effort that is whitewashed as a lack of resources, FEMA get more funding and more power.
The agenda in New Orleans was about privatizing the police state. Although abuses regularly occur, law enforcement are at least supposed to operate within the realms of the constitution, a definition that can be shifted when private mercenaries are hired to dominate the population - as happened in New Orleans where we saw Blackwater security and even Israeli troops pointing guns at American citizens.
In addition to the Israelis, armed Mexican soldiers entered the US for the first time since 1846 to supposedly provide aid. Conditioning Americans to the perception that foreign troops on US soil policing US citizens in times of emergency is normal was one of the outcomes of this alarming precedent.
The Army Times reported that hurricane survivors who wouldn't leave New Orleans were to be treated as insurgents and that combat operations to eliminate them were undertaken. This is where the so-called 'relief' effort was directed towards - treating American citizens like terrorists and hunting them down simply for wanting to stay in their own homes. And once they were caught, FEMA treated evacuees as internees, registering them and giving them ID cards, preventing them from leaving the internment camps.
The deliberate misappropriation of funds for the emergency was evident from the start when the first three organizations on the government recommended donation list were the American Red Cross, Pat Robertson and Bnai Brith. What a choice! The American Red Cross seize on any disaster as a cash cow the first chance they get as we have previously documented.
Then came Halliburton Brown and Root no bid reconstruction contracts and outsourcing of body recoveries to scandal ridden companies connected to the Bush family who had been caught dumping bodies in the past.
The US government already has developed technology enabling control and reduction of hurricanes but rather than seeking to use it to help people they are only interested in using it as a weapon. Former Naval physicist Ben Livingston briefed President Lyndon B. Johnson on hurricane control technology 40 years ago.
As Bush fiddled with a guitar in a staged photo-op and his wife called the hurricane 'Corrina' in interviews, the rest of his Neo-Con cheerleading gaggle crawled out of the woodwork to attack the victims of the tragedy.
The statements sent spewing from the frothing mouths of the Neo-Cons again betrayed the fact that they were completely devoid of any rational human feelings or grip on reality.
Barbara Bush said the victims were better off after the hurricane than they were before it.
Tom Delay said being forcibly detained in prison camp facilities was kind of fun.
Glenn Beck, the talk show host, said that hurricane victims were scumbags and saying he hated the 9/11 families.
Immediately after 9/11 when we questioned the official version of events these were the same people who were called us crass, insensitive, and an insult to the family members. Now they were the ones calling the same family members scumbags.
Michael Chertoff called Louisiana a city.
Dick Cheney said the hurricane victims were thankful for what the federal government had done to them.
The bottom line on Katrina is that whether you believe it was all incompetence or part incompetence and part malevolence, the lasting pretext is the same. When a disaster takes place, you have no rights and the federal government can arrest you if you don’t follow their every order.
In creating a permanent state of emergency as the Bush administration has attempted to do, this mandates a pervasive and permanent state of martial law where constitutionally guaranteed rights are suspended and rule by force applies.
The horrific suffering of the residents of New Orleans which continues to this day underlines a basic truth - government can't protect you, won't protect you and has no intention of protecting you.
Katrina was the calling card of the New World Order - misery, suffering, death, authoritarianism, police state and finally the elitists cashing their chips in on the devastation.
COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE
MP3 download: David Ray Griffin Shreds NORAD Tapes
From http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/August2006/310806NORAD.htm
MP3 download: David Ray Griffin Shreds NORAD Tapes
9/11 Blogger August 31 2006
Yesterday, August 30, 2006, on KPFA's "Guns and Butter" radio program, host Bonnie Faulkner featured a new interview with David Ray Griffin: THIS IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED LISTENING. The recent Vanity Fair piece and the NORAD tapes are thoroughly deconstructed and shown to be rife with anomalies;
The NORAD Audio Tapes: Real or Faked?
Interview with Dr. David Ray Griffin regarding his most recent article, "9/11 Live or Fabricated: Do the NORAD Tapes Verify the 9/11 Commission Report?" Griffin's article, written primarily in response to Vanity Fair Magazine's, "9/11 Live: The NORAD Tapes" by Michael Bronner in their September 2006 issue, deconstructs the preposterous argument that NORAD was not notified by the FAA of hijacked airliners until they had struck their targets or crashed, and that the only jets the military scrambled were in response to a flight that did not exist. Griffin takes a close look at NORAD's audio tapes, on whose authenticity these claims depend.
MP3 download - 10.2 MB
Archived stream of yesterday's show.
MP3 download: David Ray Griffin Shreds NORAD Tapes
9/11 Blogger August 31 2006
Yesterday, August 30, 2006, on KPFA's "Guns and Butter" radio program, host Bonnie Faulkner featured a new interview with David Ray Griffin: THIS IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED LISTENING. The recent Vanity Fair piece and the NORAD tapes are thoroughly deconstructed and shown to be rife with anomalies;
The NORAD Audio Tapes: Real or Faked?
Interview with Dr. David Ray Griffin regarding his most recent article, "9/11 Live or Fabricated: Do the NORAD Tapes Verify the 9/11 Commission Report?" Griffin's article, written primarily in response to Vanity Fair Magazine's, "9/11 Live: The NORAD Tapes" by Michael Bronner in their September 2006 issue, deconstructs the preposterous argument that NORAD was not notified by the FAA of hijacked airliners until they had struck their targets or crashed, and that the only jets the military scrambled were in response to a flight that did not exist. Griffin takes a close look at NORAD's audio tapes, on whose authenticity these claims depend.
MP3 download - 10.2 MB
Archived stream of yesterday's show.
A North American United Nations? by Ron Paul
From http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst082806.htm
A North American United Nations?
August 28, 2006
Globalists and one-world promoters never seem to tire of coming up with ways to undermine the sovereignty of the United States. The most recent attempt comes in the form of the misnamed "Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America (SPP)." In reality, this new "partnership" will likely make us far less secure and certainly less prosperous.
According to the US government website dedicated to the project, the SPP is neither a treaty nor a formal agreement. Rather, it is a "dialogue" launched by the heads of state of Canada, Mexico, and the United States at a summit in Waco, Texas in March, 2005.
What is a "dialogue"? We don't know. What we do know, however, is that Congressional oversight of what might be one of the most significant developments in recent history is non-existent. Congress has had no role at all in a "dialogue" that many see as a plan for a North American union.
According to the SPP website, this "dialogue" will create new supra-national organizations to "coordinate" border security, health policy, economic and trade policy, and energy policy between the governments of Mexico, Canada, and the United States. As such, it is but an extension of NAFTA- and CAFTA-like agreements that have far less to do with the free movement of goods and services than they do with government coordination and management of international trade.
Critics of NAFTA and CAFTA warned at the time that the agreements were actually a move toward more government control over international trade and an eventual merging of North America into a border-free area. Proponents of these agreements dismissed this as preposterous and conspiratorial. Now we see that the criticisms appear to be justified.
Let's examine just a couple of the many troubling statements on the SPP's US government website:
"We affirm our commitment to strengthen regulatory cooperation...and to have our central regulatory agencies complete a trilateral regulatory cooperation framework by 2007"
Though the US administration insists that the SPP does not undermine US sovereignty, how else can one take statements like this? How can establishing a "trilateral regulatory cooperation" not undermine our national sovereignty?
The website also states SPP's goal to "[i]mprove the health of our indigenous people through targeted bilateral and/or trilateral activities, including in health promotion, health education, disease prevention, and research." Who can read this and not see massive foreign aid transferred from the US taxpayer to foreign governments and well-connected private companies?
Also alarming are SPP pledges to "work towards the identification and adoption of best practices relating to the registration of medicinal products." That sounds like the much-criticized Codex Alimentarius, which seeks to radically limit Americans' health freedom.
Even more troubling are reports that under this new "partnership," a massive highway is being planned to stretch from Canada into Mexico, through the state of Texas. This is likely to cost the US taxpayer untold billions of dollars, will require eminent domain takings on an almost unimaginable scale, and will make the US more vulnerable to those who seek to enter our country to do us harm.
This all adds up to not only more and bigger government, but to the establishment of an unelected mega-government. As the SPP website itself admits, "The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America represents a broad and ambitious agenda." I hope my colleagues in Congress and American citizens will join me in opposing any "broad and ambitious" effort to undermine the security and sovereignty of the United States.
A North American United Nations?
August 28, 2006
Globalists and one-world promoters never seem to tire of coming up with ways to undermine the sovereignty of the United States. The most recent attempt comes in the form of the misnamed "Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America (SPP)." In reality, this new "partnership" will likely make us far less secure and certainly less prosperous.
According to the US government website dedicated to the project, the SPP is neither a treaty nor a formal agreement. Rather, it is a "dialogue" launched by the heads of state of Canada, Mexico, and the United States at a summit in Waco, Texas in March, 2005.
What is a "dialogue"? We don't know. What we do know, however, is that Congressional oversight of what might be one of the most significant developments in recent history is non-existent. Congress has had no role at all in a "dialogue" that many see as a plan for a North American union.
According to the SPP website, this "dialogue" will create new supra-national organizations to "coordinate" border security, health policy, economic and trade policy, and energy policy between the governments of Mexico, Canada, and the United States. As such, it is but an extension of NAFTA- and CAFTA-like agreements that have far less to do with the free movement of goods and services than they do with government coordination and management of international trade.
Critics of NAFTA and CAFTA warned at the time that the agreements were actually a move toward more government control over international trade and an eventual merging of North America into a border-free area. Proponents of these agreements dismissed this as preposterous and conspiratorial. Now we see that the criticisms appear to be justified.
Let's examine just a couple of the many troubling statements on the SPP's US government website:
"We affirm our commitment to strengthen regulatory cooperation...and to have our central regulatory agencies complete a trilateral regulatory cooperation framework by 2007"
Though the US administration insists that the SPP does not undermine US sovereignty, how else can one take statements like this? How can establishing a "trilateral regulatory cooperation" not undermine our national sovereignty?
The website also states SPP's goal to "[i]mprove the health of our indigenous people through targeted bilateral and/or trilateral activities, including in health promotion, health education, disease prevention, and research." Who can read this and not see massive foreign aid transferred from the US taxpayer to foreign governments and well-connected private companies?
Also alarming are SPP pledges to "work towards the identification and adoption of best practices relating to the registration of medicinal products." That sounds like the much-criticized Codex Alimentarius, which seeks to radically limit Americans' health freedom.
Even more troubling are reports that under this new "partnership," a massive highway is being planned to stretch from Canada into Mexico, through the state of Texas. This is likely to cost the US taxpayer untold billions of dollars, will require eminent domain takings on an almost unimaginable scale, and will make the US more vulnerable to those who seek to enter our country to do us harm.
This all adds up to not only more and bigger government, but to the establishment of an unelected mega-government. As the SPP website itself admits, "The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America represents a broad and ambitious agenda." I hope my colleagues in Congress and American citizens will join me in opposing any "broad and ambitious" effort to undermine the security and sovereignty of the United States.
Again, another discussion with Penelope
My response is in blue:
1) Did George Bush participate in any pagan ceremony at Bohemian Grove. If so, when was it?
Response: The Bohemian Grove is a notorious pagan place. That enough should deter any Christian from joining it. Also, Bush is pictured giving lectures at the Grove. I'm not 100% certain he is pictured at the Cremation of Care pagan ceremony, but many are pictured. Just because you don't practipitate in rituals in an elitist, occult club, doesn't mean you go to its headquarters or condone it. I don't condone any occult groups at all.
2) Buddhists can go to heaven. In my experience, very few will, but anything is possible.
Response: Unless Jesus Christ was a total liar, you are right that Buddhists can go to heaven. Yet, I don't believe Jesus was liar. The Bible is perfect clear that Jesus is the only way into Heaven: "...“Jesus saith unto him, I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” (John 14:6). Many Buddhists don't even believe in one God, so that alone disqualifies the Buddhists to heaven right there.
3) My comments were not silly. Taking off your shoes is a religious practice in Japan. I, a Christian, have joined in several religious practices as a matter of etiquette. George Bush did the same. Do you really think he worshiped a Shinto god?
Response: Everyone has a right to their opinion. This isn't just about taking off shoes in Japan. This is about Japanese Christians and mainstream news accounts condemning Bush for worshipping in a Shinto shrine and clapping the hands of their false god. Religious practices? You can easily peaceful decline religious practices and be cordial in a foreign country. The scriptures forbids being involved with false religious practices that don't merit salvation: "... Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."(Acts 5:9)
"For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; " (1 Thessalonians 1:9) Bowing before a false shrine is a worship. If it walks like a duck, squack like a duck, it's a duck.
4) No core conviction was violated. Even handshakes, nodding and verbal greetings are pagan practices. Worship emanates from the heart. Don’t you remember all the scriptures about that?
Response: Core convictions are violated when you clapped the hands to celebrate false gods, when people praise the false of Molech, and when you have death oaths which Jesus himself condemned in the book of Matthew. I find these things repugnant and offensive. This has nothing to do with simple handshakes, noddings, and greetings. Occultism is real in the world and we must expose it and help people to leave the dangerous world of the occult. The Bible says: "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. " (2 Timothy 4:2) Worship does come from the heart, but all acts don't by man aren't necessary good. We need to be careful of deception and make sure we are sincere and not violate the Word of God to try to "appear good." Even worldly people know that's a con.
5) Where does the Bible forbid working with un-believers. The scripture about being unequally yoked refers to marriage. Taken to the extreme, you are saying that no Christian should work for a non-Christian employer or with any non-Christian employees. As an employer, a Christian should never hire a non-Christian. Do you work with any non-believers?
Response: The Bible definitely forbids yolking with unbelievers: "...Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14) Obviously this verse has nothing to do with jobs or communicating with people of different creeds. This has to do with religious fellowship (i.e. baptism, commonion, etc.). In other words, we aren't supposed to have religious fellowship with unbelievers, unless if we want to share the gospel with them, etc. It's as simple as that.
6) I like the “fruit inspectors” line. I’m gonna steal it ;) I do agree with you in principle on most of this, but Christians are to be temperate and moderate. I’ll talk about keeping it between the ditches in closing.
Response: I agree with being a Fruit inspectors. I do agree Christians are to be temperate not moderate. Jesus want us to hot or cold, not moderate. A moderate Christian is a weak Christian like many on TV getting intimidated by far left extremists. You can be temperate and strong in your belief system at the same time.
7) I agree with you about judging. We are not to condemn others. That is not our place. However, we are to use good judgment in all things. I like your scripture references, and yes, I’m stealing them too. Ditches. Pastor Hagin taught about not getting into the ditch on either side. I took your yoking example to the extreme. I hope you get my point in that. George Bush is the President of the United States of America. He is the head of state of my country. As a Christian, I do not fault him for nodding at a Shinto shrine, clapping his hands (which is to scare away evil spirits) and writing his name in a book. Lester Sumrall visited Shinto shrines and visited with monks on more than one occasion. Japan is an important ally and showing respect is okay. As to Bohemian Grove, there isn’t enough information to form an opinion. If Bush’s involvement is like that of a fraternal organization, I can’t really condemn him for that either. If he were an active promoter of worshiping Molech, my opinion would be different.
Response: Judging is never monolthic. Therefore, we are to judge in some areas and not in others like someone's heart. Your stealing my scripture references? ha ha ha ha!!!! The Bible is free for all men. ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I get your point about yolking. George W. Bush is the President of the United States. That's all the more reason for him to set a basic explanation of sticking to his core convictions. The media demonize him as being a so-called "right wing" Christian, yet Bush doesn't agree with conservative Christians on every issue. For example, Bush allowed Planned Parenthood to recieve over $100 million, supports the agenda of the American Union (exposed by Ron Paul and Dr. Corsi, which is about forming one North American nation in the near future. This is part of the new world order that Patriots have talked about. This plan is further detailed in the document entitled "Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America or SPP"), etc. Many in the mainstream media hate conservative Christians anyway like Bill Maher.
I disagree with Bush being in a Shinto ritual, etc. No Christian should do that if a Christian did it, they should ask God for forgiveness. It's as simple as that and it isn't complex. We disagree on that point. Basic respect can easily be achieved with a Shinto ritual. There is tons of information to form facts about it. Alex Jones in his video "Order of Death" prove that a pagan Cremation of Care ritual takes place where people worship Molech, the false god of the ancients. The New York Post reports on how gay male prostitutes go to the Grove to service some of the members (although not everyone in the Grove are homosexual). The New York Post on Page Six (Archived Page) at July 22, 2004 reported on this truth. Elite secret projects are forumulated or proposed in the Grove (without American citizenry oversight) like the Manhattan Project and Star Wars. Alex Jones & Paul Joseph Watson from January 17, 2006 wrote about this. It's a occult orientated group that hold sway in the world, but it's not the most powerful group in the world.
My great-grandfather was a Mason. I believe the ritual of passing to the 31st degree contains an oath that no Christian should make. I’m not sure if or how he dealt with that, but, he was a good Christian man. His donations kept his Baptist church going. He helped pay for building expansion. My dad said he gave cash, quietly, to pay for the ministry for the kids after high school football games. His money also doubled the size of the other local Baptist church in town. You can’t buy your way into heaven and he wasn’t doing that. He put his money where his heart was. Notice, I said he gave money quietly. He never wanted recognition. I encourage you to pray for President Bush. He is the leader of the free world. The free world is where Christianity flourishes. This is an example of when differences between two Christians should be dealt with in private. Airing our Christian laundry in public does damage to the faith and it hinders the little ones.
-Penelope (if you have more information, please send it)
Response: People know how I feel about Freemasonry. Freemasonry in its modern sense existed in 1717. I've debated Freemasonry. All in all, the vast majority of Freemasonry are not Devil worshippers or hardcore evil people. Yet, Freemasonry is eerily against the scriptures on many level. One level is that in the Blue Degree, you swear a death oath including cutting your throat, etc. The Bible is Matthew forbids swearing death oaths and Exodus says "THou shalt not kill." Even if these oaths are symbolic, they invoke God's name and we aren't to take God's name in vain. There is deception also in Freemasonry. Albert Pike (a Confederate and one of them most Famous Freemasons in America) said:
"... Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it ... So Masonry jealously conceals its secrets and intentionally leads conceited interpreters astray." [Morals and Dogma, p. 104-5)
Pike was a 33rd Degree Freemason and his Morals and Dogma book is required reading for Freemasonry. Therefore, many Masons endorse lying to lower levels. This isn't Christian to me. The Bible says:
"... But as for the cowards and the ignoble and the contemptible and the cravenly lacking in courage and the cowardly submissive, and as for the unbelieving and faithless, and as for the depraved and defiled with abominations, and as for murderers and the lewd and adulterous and the practicers of magic arts and the idolaters (those who give supreme devotion to anyone or anything other than God) and all liars (those who knowingly convey untruth by word or deed)--[all of these shall have] their part in the lake that blazes with fire and brimstone. This is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)
Lying is a sin and unrepetant liars are going to Hell. Pike supports lying, so he is a deciever. In essence, Freemasonry is the acceptance of pagan Mysteries merging with a belief in one God in trying to promote so-called "Tolerance, justice, and brotherhood." To merge the Mysteries and a belief in one God, doesn't cut it with God: "... What harmony can there be between Christ and Belial [the devil]? Or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?" (2 Corinthians 6:15)
Freemason Foster Bailey wrote that: "Study of spiritual realities found in Masonry reveals that we have perpetuated and increasingly activated the essential principals of the ancient Mystery Schools which have existed from the very earliest times." in his book the Spirit of Masonry.
Pagan symbols are present in the Lodge like the Inverted Pentagon, the circle and the dot, the obelisk (representing the Egyptian false sun god), All Seeing Eye (used for thousands of years as the Eye of Horus), etc.
According to 33rd Degree Freemason Albert Mackey, the dot and the circle refers to this:
“The point within the circle is an...important symbol in Freemasonry, but it has been debased in the lectures (given in lodges) that the sooner that the interpretation is forgotten by the Masonic student, the better will it be. The symbol is really a beautiful but somewhat abstruse allusion to the OLD SUN-WORSHIP, and introduces us for the first time to the modification of it, known among the ANCIENTS AS THE WORSHIP OF THE PHALLUS. (Albert Mackey, The Manual of the Lodge, Clark Maynard Co., New York, 1870, p. 156)
Freemasonry from its own writings is not based on the Bible and its accepts those of other creeds into "Brotherhood." Iti's a culture war in America. It's good to pray for our leaders, but we must expose evil. We must make known of the Presidents' errors so he can wake up. I really don't care if people see my words to you or not. I like debate as long as it's cordial. Freemasonry have great secrecy, yet Jesus said openly I spoke into the world and in secret have I said nothing. Freemasonry claims that they have a "Light" in their Lodges. Well, Jesus is the true Light of the World. Many Christians who have been deluded into Freemasonry may be sincere. They are just sincerely wrong. Freemasonry have therefore death oaths, accepts paganism, and uses deception in its lower levels to control its members.
That's reality. I've studied Freemasonry for many years. There is nothing wrong with freely talking about every issue under the sun. As for me, I will keep on talking about torture, the bad policies of the Iraq War, the evils of abortion, eniment domain, our civil liberties (oh yes the Patriot Act has been wrongfully utilized against Toy stores and innocent scientists), illegal immigration, the new world order (David Rockefeller is quoted as wanting an one world government. This is fact not fiction), and other important issues. Even Pope Benedict called for a New world Order. Me personally, I don't blame Bush for everything wrong in the USA unlike some in the far left. In the final analysis, we ought to fight for truth.
By TruthSeeker24 (Timothy)
1) Did George Bush participate in any pagan ceremony at Bohemian Grove. If so, when was it?
Response: The Bohemian Grove is a notorious pagan place. That enough should deter any Christian from joining it. Also, Bush is pictured giving lectures at the Grove. I'm not 100% certain he is pictured at the Cremation of Care pagan ceremony, but many are pictured. Just because you don't practipitate in rituals in an elitist, occult club, doesn't mean you go to its headquarters or condone it. I don't condone any occult groups at all.
2) Buddhists can go to heaven. In my experience, very few will, but anything is possible.
Response: Unless Jesus Christ was a total liar, you are right that Buddhists can go to heaven. Yet, I don't believe Jesus was liar. The Bible is perfect clear that Jesus is the only way into Heaven: "...“Jesus saith unto him, I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” (John 14:6). Many Buddhists don't even believe in one God, so that alone disqualifies the Buddhists to heaven right there.
3) My comments were not silly. Taking off your shoes is a religious practice in Japan. I, a Christian, have joined in several religious practices as a matter of etiquette. George Bush did the same. Do you really think he worshiped a Shinto god?
Response: Everyone has a right to their opinion. This isn't just about taking off shoes in Japan. This is about Japanese Christians and mainstream news accounts condemning Bush for worshipping in a Shinto shrine and clapping the hands of their false god. Religious practices? You can easily peaceful decline religious practices and be cordial in a foreign country. The scriptures forbids being involved with false religious practices that don't merit salvation: "... Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."(Acts 5:9)
"For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; " (1 Thessalonians 1:9) Bowing before a false shrine is a worship. If it walks like a duck, squack like a duck, it's a duck.
4) No core conviction was violated. Even handshakes, nodding and verbal greetings are pagan practices. Worship emanates from the heart. Don’t you remember all the scriptures about that?
Response: Core convictions are violated when you clapped the hands to celebrate false gods, when people praise the false of Molech, and when you have death oaths which Jesus himself condemned in the book of Matthew. I find these things repugnant and offensive. This has nothing to do with simple handshakes, noddings, and greetings. Occultism is real in the world and we must expose it and help people to leave the dangerous world of the occult. The Bible says: "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. " (2 Timothy 4:2) Worship does come from the heart, but all acts don't by man aren't necessary good. We need to be careful of deception and make sure we are sincere and not violate the Word of God to try to "appear good." Even worldly people know that's a con.
5) Where does the Bible forbid working with un-believers. The scripture about being unequally yoked refers to marriage. Taken to the extreme, you are saying that no Christian should work for a non-Christian employer or with any non-Christian employees. As an employer, a Christian should never hire a non-Christian. Do you work with any non-believers?
Response: The Bible definitely forbids yolking with unbelievers: "...Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14) Obviously this verse has nothing to do with jobs or communicating with people of different creeds. This has to do with religious fellowship (i.e. baptism, commonion, etc.). In other words, we aren't supposed to have religious fellowship with unbelievers, unless if we want to share the gospel with them, etc. It's as simple as that.
6) I like the “fruit inspectors” line. I’m gonna steal it ;) I do agree with you in principle on most of this, but Christians are to be temperate and moderate. I’ll talk about keeping it between the ditches in closing.
Response: I agree with being a Fruit inspectors. I do agree Christians are to be temperate not moderate. Jesus want us to hot or cold, not moderate. A moderate Christian is a weak Christian like many on TV getting intimidated by far left extremists. You can be temperate and strong in your belief system at the same time.
7) I agree with you about judging. We are not to condemn others. That is not our place. However, we are to use good judgment in all things. I like your scripture references, and yes, I’m stealing them too. Ditches. Pastor Hagin taught about not getting into the ditch on either side. I took your yoking example to the extreme. I hope you get my point in that. George Bush is the President of the United States of America. He is the head of state of my country. As a Christian, I do not fault him for nodding at a Shinto shrine, clapping his hands (which is to scare away evil spirits) and writing his name in a book. Lester Sumrall visited Shinto shrines and visited with monks on more than one occasion. Japan is an important ally and showing respect is okay. As to Bohemian Grove, there isn’t enough information to form an opinion. If Bush’s involvement is like that of a fraternal organization, I can’t really condemn him for that either. If he were an active promoter of worshiping Molech, my opinion would be different.
Response: Judging is never monolthic. Therefore, we are to judge in some areas and not in others like someone's heart. Your stealing my scripture references? ha ha ha ha!!!! The Bible is free for all men. ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I get your point about yolking. George W. Bush is the President of the United States. That's all the more reason for him to set a basic explanation of sticking to his core convictions. The media demonize him as being a so-called "right wing" Christian, yet Bush doesn't agree with conservative Christians on every issue. For example, Bush allowed Planned Parenthood to recieve over $100 million, supports the agenda of the American Union (exposed by Ron Paul and Dr. Corsi, which is about forming one North American nation in the near future. This is part of the new world order that Patriots have talked about. This plan is further detailed in the document entitled "Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America or SPP"), etc. Many in the mainstream media hate conservative Christians anyway like Bill Maher.
I disagree with Bush being in a Shinto ritual, etc. No Christian should do that if a Christian did it, they should ask God for forgiveness. It's as simple as that and it isn't complex. We disagree on that point. Basic respect can easily be achieved with a Shinto ritual. There is tons of information to form facts about it. Alex Jones in his video "Order of Death" prove that a pagan Cremation of Care ritual takes place where people worship Molech, the false god of the ancients. The New York Post reports on how gay male prostitutes go to the Grove to service some of the members (although not everyone in the Grove are homosexual). The New York Post on Page Six (Archived Page) at July 22, 2004 reported on this truth. Elite secret projects are forumulated or proposed in the Grove (without American citizenry oversight) like the Manhattan Project and Star Wars. Alex Jones & Paul Joseph Watson from January 17, 2006 wrote about this. It's a occult orientated group that hold sway in the world, but it's not the most powerful group in the world.
My great-grandfather was a Mason. I believe the ritual of passing to the 31st degree contains an oath that no Christian should make. I’m not sure if or how he dealt with that, but, he was a good Christian man. His donations kept his Baptist church going. He helped pay for building expansion. My dad said he gave cash, quietly, to pay for the ministry for the kids after high school football games. His money also doubled the size of the other local Baptist church in town. You can’t buy your way into heaven and he wasn’t doing that. He put his money where his heart was. Notice, I said he gave money quietly. He never wanted recognition. I encourage you to pray for President Bush. He is the leader of the free world. The free world is where Christianity flourishes. This is an example of when differences between two Christians should be dealt with in private. Airing our Christian laundry in public does damage to the faith and it hinders the little ones.
-Penelope (if you have more information, please send it)
Response: People know how I feel about Freemasonry. Freemasonry in its modern sense existed in 1717. I've debated Freemasonry. All in all, the vast majority of Freemasonry are not Devil worshippers or hardcore evil people. Yet, Freemasonry is eerily against the scriptures on many level. One level is that in the Blue Degree, you swear a death oath including cutting your throat, etc. The Bible is Matthew forbids swearing death oaths and Exodus says "THou shalt not kill." Even if these oaths are symbolic, they invoke God's name and we aren't to take God's name in vain. There is deception also in Freemasonry. Albert Pike (a Confederate and one of them most Famous Freemasons in America) said:
"... Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it ... So Masonry jealously conceals its secrets and intentionally leads conceited interpreters astray." [Morals and Dogma, p. 104-5)
Pike was a 33rd Degree Freemason and his Morals and Dogma book is required reading for Freemasonry. Therefore, many Masons endorse lying to lower levels. This isn't Christian to me. The Bible says:
"... But as for the cowards and the ignoble and the contemptible and the cravenly lacking in courage and the cowardly submissive, and as for the unbelieving and faithless, and as for the depraved and defiled with abominations, and as for murderers and the lewd and adulterous and the practicers of magic arts and the idolaters (those who give supreme devotion to anyone or anything other than God) and all liars (those who knowingly convey untruth by word or deed)--[all of these shall have] their part in the lake that blazes with fire and brimstone. This is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)
Lying is a sin and unrepetant liars are going to Hell. Pike supports lying, so he is a deciever. In essence, Freemasonry is the acceptance of pagan Mysteries merging with a belief in one God in trying to promote so-called "Tolerance, justice, and brotherhood." To merge the Mysteries and a belief in one God, doesn't cut it with God: "... What harmony can there be between Christ and Belial [the devil]? Or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?" (2 Corinthians 6:15)
Freemason Foster Bailey wrote that: "Study of spiritual realities found in Masonry reveals that we have perpetuated and increasingly activated the essential principals of the ancient Mystery Schools which have existed from the very earliest times." in his book the Spirit of Masonry.
Pagan symbols are present in the Lodge like the Inverted Pentagon, the circle and the dot, the obelisk (representing the Egyptian false sun god), All Seeing Eye (used for thousands of years as the Eye of Horus), etc.
According to 33rd Degree Freemason Albert Mackey, the dot and the circle refers to this:
“The point within the circle is an...important symbol in Freemasonry, but it has been debased in the lectures (given in lodges) that the sooner that the interpretation is forgotten by the Masonic student, the better will it be. The symbol is really a beautiful but somewhat abstruse allusion to the OLD SUN-WORSHIP, and introduces us for the first time to the modification of it, known among the ANCIENTS AS THE WORSHIP OF THE PHALLUS. (Albert Mackey, The Manual of the Lodge, Clark Maynard Co., New York, 1870, p. 156)
Freemasonry from its own writings is not based on the Bible and its accepts those of other creeds into "Brotherhood." Iti's a culture war in America. It's good to pray for our leaders, but we must expose evil. We must make known of the Presidents' errors so he can wake up. I really don't care if people see my words to you or not. I like debate as long as it's cordial. Freemasonry have great secrecy, yet Jesus said openly I spoke into the world and in secret have I said nothing. Freemasonry claims that they have a "Light" in their Lodges. Well, Jesus is the true Light of the World. Many Christians who have been deluded into Freemasonry may be sincere. They are just sincerely wrong. Freemasonry have therefore death oaths, accepts paganism, and uses deception in its lower levels to control its members.
That's reality. I've studied Freemasonry for many years. There is nothing wrong with freely talking about every issue under the sun. As for me, I will keep on talking about torture, the bad policies of the Iraq War, the evils of abortion, eniment domain, our civil liberties (oh yes the Patriot Act has been wrongfully utilized against Toy stores and innocent scientists), illegal immigration, the new world order (David Rockefeller is quoted as wanting an one world government. This is fact not fiction), and other important issues. Even Pope Benedict called for a New world Order. Me personally, I don't blame Bush for everything wrong in the USA unlike some in the far left. In the final analysis, we ought to fight for truth.
Good day, Penelope
By TruthSeeker24 (Timothy)
Wednesday, August 30, 2006
JFK
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/300806jfk.htm
A comment by 2tuff:
Why don't we get to the nitty gritty here and finger Sovereign Military of Malta members Henry R. Luce, J Peter Grace (controlling 10 of the assassins), Clare Boothe Luce and their leadership Cardinal Spellmen the Archbishop of NY at the time and leader of the America's SMOM. Also look into CFR member Dean Rusk, remember these were all Council on Foreign Relations except Spellmen who simply controlled the CFR via the SMOM. JFK had commited many acts against the Jesuit agenda and was hated and thought of as a traitor to the Roman Catholics as Hiram Dukes used to expose. The Jesuit Superior General needed him gone asap and sent the orders to Georgetown university and Fordham. Why don't these Alex Jone's and other agents go this far???? Its obvious to me! -2tuff
A comment by 2tuff:
Why don't we get to the nitty gritty here and finger Sovereign Military of Malta members Henry R. Luce, J Peter Grace (controlling 10 of the assassins), Clare Boothe Luce and their leadership Cardinal Spellmen the Archbishop of NY at the time and leader of the America's SMOM. Also look into CFR member Dean Rusk, remember these were all Council on Foreign Relations except Spellmen who simply controlled the CFR via the SMOM. JFK had commited many acts against the Jesuit agenda and was hated and thought of as a traitor to the Roman Catholics as Hiram Dukes used to expose. The Jesuit Superior General needed him gone asap and sent the orders to Georgetown university and Fordham. Why don't these Alex Jone's and other agents go this far???? Its obvious to me! -2tuff
God Loves People
Of all of the critiques surrounding Hurricane Katrina, I've witnesssed some positive news. Even though a long way is to go is essential to alleviate many problems in the Gulf Coast. Yet, many Christians (including those of other creeds) volunteered to assist the victims of Katrina. I saw many of them on Television. Homes have been rebuilt, food have been delievered to folks, and other generous activities have been generated. Although, this doesn't escape the problems in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama as shown by the CFR-dominated mainstream media. Now, it's been over a year after the decimation of the Gulf Coast region. David J. Stewart is courageous and right to expose the Neo-evangelicals. Usually, they refuse to expose sin and preach about real issues like pornography, abortion, Secret Societies, the new world order, etc. New Evangelicalism is a movement that are ecumencial (which grew into another level through the Vatican II Council of the 1960's) who refuse to preach boldly against evil. They are primarily concerned about love. These men include Benny Hinn, Rick Warren (on FOX, he talked about solving much of the problems in Africa. His famous book is called "A Purpose Driven Life." Paul Proctor wrote great words in dissenting with much of that book), Robert Schuller (a proud 33rd degree Freemason and a friend of "Brother" Billy Graham), Joel Osteen, and Lon Solomon (of McLean Bible Church in VA).
The megachurch atmosphere is related to much of this, because many megachurches follow the health, wealth, and prosperity gospel. They forgotten that Jesus was poor, rejected by much of his own people, and regularly demonized by the Pharisees. That doesn't seem like wordly prosperity to me or recieving tons of riches on Earth. Knight of Malta Charismatic Rick Joyner is apart of the situation. Some of the neo-evangelicals are Bushhots (or rabid followers of George W. Bush when Bush is pro-American Union, practipated in a Shinto ritual, in 2 occult Secret Societies [which are the Skulls and Bones plus the Bohemian Grove in existence today. Adolf Hitler was in the occult, black magic Thule Society as well], and is pro-Big Brother). I don't blame Bush for every wrong in the nation, but George W. Bush is fully aware of some reasons of why things are happening. The President publicly called for a "new order of the ages" (at January 2005)to fulfill an Ancient Hope that must be fulfilled. Though I realize that Bush is a puppet. Common sense will tell you that Bush is an internationalist promoting a new world order. He's not as blatant as Bush Sr. is.
Some of the leadership of the Neo-evangelicals are connected to the Knights of Malta, Opus Dei,
Also, I will exposed the evil Labor Zionist leaders of Israel (Ben Hecht's "Perfidy" book document how Labor Zionists like Rudolph Kastner worked with Eichmann to kill thousands of Jews during WWII) and the Wahhabi radicals (Chuck Moorse proved that the Nazis used Muslim radicals to kills Serbs during WWII). The Labor Zionists are subordinate to the Vatican as explained by Eric Jon Phelps. Even today, Knight of Malta Juan Carlos is a key man in the Mideast peace process. Likewise, many patriotic Israelis like Barry Chamish are waking up to the machinations in the Middle East. Many Jews and Arabs in the Middle East oppose the lust for war whether in Lebanon, Syria, or Iran. Therefore, I want to make that perfect clear. Not all Jews and not all Arabs are evil. The reality is that it's really pro-Israel to reject the evil policies of the government of Israel. To this day, Knights of Malta (or SMOM) and high level Freemasonry hold mighty sway in the corporate world. For example, Knight of Malta Thomas S. Monghan runs Domino's Pizza, SMOM Nicholas Karcher owns Hardess, the late 33rd Degree Freemason Dave Thomas ran Wendys, and Knight of Malta Peter Lynch, is the vice chairman of Fidelity Management & Research Company. I find it interesting that according to a book, Umberto Ortolani (of P2 Loge Masonry) is a Knight of Malta. Greg Szymanski mentioned an article with excellent information about the P2 Lodge Masonry connection to the Vatican and Nazis.
Many in the "alternative media" refuse to discuss about the Vatican, SMOM, or Opus Dei. I wonder why? I found out this year that the Marriott Hotel chain are run by the Mormon Church. Recently, the Mariott hardcore pornography is offered in their hotels. Mormonism is an extension of the same Hermetic/Gnostic/New Age religious doctrines found in the Mystery Religion thousands of years ago. Mormons believe that a man can be a god on his own planet and have wives. Mormons believe in that Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers. The more you get into Mormonism, the more bizarre it becomes. As usual, Joseph Smith invented Mormonism and was a Freemason. I guess nothing is new under the sun, because it's common to see people use the EL Dialdo horned sign today (some of these deluded people believe they're rebelling against the establishment, yet the same corporate infrastructure that promote them, run the "popular culture" machine in many genres of music even mainstream gospel). Not to mention that people thousands of years ago used the same hand sign in pagan cultures as proven in the book Codex Magica. These false religions and occultism are used to try to manipulate and control people. I'm not a hypocrite, because I realize that Atheist Communists like Mao, Stalin, and Castro slaughtered millions last century in China, the Soviet Union, Cuba, and other locations.
Now, it's time to delve into the modern world. People are criticizing a NH Psychology professor named William Woodward. The reason is that Woodward disagrees with the offical story of 9/11 and believes that it could be an inside job. Me personally, people have a right to believe in what they want. It's a free country and it doesn't seem that the professor is trying to indoctrinate his students. Governor John Lynch of New Hampshire called William's opinions crazy. I guess the Governor doesn't know about Buidling 7, the wargames, W199I, American government foreknowledge, the PNAC Document (calling for a "Pearl Harbor like" event as a catalyst to get the agenda going), Operation Northwoods, "The Grand Chessboard" book written by Zbigniew Brzezinski (talking about invading Central Asia before 9/11), and other facts that destroy the offical story. Some folks just hate it that the 911 Truth Movement is growing in leaps and bounds. The AP on August 30, 2006 reported on the professor story. A New York Daily News article from ROBERT BAER on August 30, 2006 spoke about some strange issue. Baer wanted not only war with Iran, but track everyone.
The reality is that Iran is no direct threat to America and Big Brother is one of scourges of society. Real Patriots for decades in America oppose thumb scans, microchip, X-Ray scans, mind detecting system, and other anti-privacy devices that ruins freedom for people. I don't believe that total surveillance against people is going to solve our problems in society. GlobalResearch.ca August 27, 2006 discussed how the company called Delta & Pine Land (which done work with the US Department of Agriculture) will be controlled by Monsanto. Monsanto is the world's largest supplier of GM (or genetically modified) seeds based in St. Louis, Missouri. As many scientists know, GM foods are inferior to organic foods. Problems and risks are apparent from GM foods. In fact toxins can be in them. Even in April 2006, more than 70 Indian shepherds reported that 25% of their herds died within 5-7 days of continuous grazing on Bt cotton plants.
Life is a continuing journey for me. I look at both sides of issues. I've been thinking about feuls. The truth is we already have the technology to create real alternative energy (i.e. cold fusion, hemp, etc.) when you don't even need oil. Some have shown that oil retrieved from the ocean can be a feul as shown in the film Syriana. I personally don't agree with Peak Oil and many in the establishment Left promote the Peak Oil situation when we have real feuls that can replace fossil fuels now. It's a fact that Big Oil and large geo-political groups like the Club of Rome (who accepts the overpopulation myth when Russia, Japan, and other nations have underpopulation crises. All humans can fit in the state of Texas given about a little more than 1,000 sq. ft. each. Studies from the U.N. show that population growth will level off and decrease by 2050. Total population growth worldwide have decreased per decade since 1960. You probably won't hear this from the mainstream media. Still, The Global 2000 plan and NSSM 200 [promoted by Henry Kissinger] outline devious pro-virus, anti-population policies) promote Peak Oil. While people obsess with the Peak Oil nonesense, real environmental crises like depleted uranium, genetically modified food, and flouride are not discussed that much. I do agree with George Humphrey that we must use our minds to use real resources (while being self sufficient), so folks aren't reliant on multinational corporations. More and more people are waking up. I'm going to expose all evil and will not quit. I'm not into detention centers and the American Union (that's against U.S. sovereignity).
By TruthSeeker24 (Timothy)
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