Monday, March 24, 2008

Who is David Icke?

From http://web.archive.org/web/20051212170328/http://home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/resrch/ltrsoths/icke.htm

Report on David Icke

David Icke's books have grabbed the attention and praise of some former Worldwide Church of God members. While Icke gives the impression that he knows much about what is going on in the world, grabbing and keeping his readers' attention by presenting a conspiratorial view of history, his material is a mixture of truth and error with countless contradictions.
As one delves more into his books, it becomes evident that he discounts the Bible as the inspired, inerrant Word of God, and does not believe that Jesus Christ is God and Savior. In our research we've discovered that many men in history who have attacked the Bible, or discounted it, have been those who believed in pantheism or freemasonry and were at one time considered "heretics" to true Biblical Christianity. This should give caution no matter how much "truth" the author may appear to have.

A lot of Icke's personal philosophy is disturbing. For one thing he has stated that he contacted a "psychic" for his information, and in reading his books much of his belief system resembles New Age and occult thinking. For example, Elizabeth Claire Prophet, New Age cult leader, claims to be in contact with the "ascended masters." Amazingly, so does David Icke. An earlier book of Icke's, Truth Vibrations, can be used as a good study to show his connections to these belief systems. In spite of any "truth" about the one world government (or New World Order) that Icke professes to understand, could he have an agenda to lead his readers into the same direction he has gone--extreme New Age beliefs and getting in contact with "spirit guides"?
The following researched information on Icke was sent to Angie Carlson, radio commentator, and also includes her opinions. [Note: ESN's founder, L. A. Stuhlman, was interviewed on Angie Carlson's radio show in 1997.]
Also read: David Icke's Belief System


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FW from Angie Carlson to Deanne Williams of Exit & Support Network�, July 26, 1999:

Never having been impressed with Icke's whole logic, though he seems sound for the duration of his radio interviews, but watch out for his mystical outbreaks. His religion is highly pervaded with, in my opinion, repulsive, new-age dogma, much of it the typical dribble, and the rest, apparently, schizoid. Some of you have highly recommended I read Icke's new, phantastical extravaganza; however, now aware of Icke's main thesis in his most recent book, am I overjoyed to have never have wasted one red cent on his magnum garbus. It seems Mr. Icke suffers from acute mind control, himself. Self-hypnosis, perhaps, or a gross case of self deception?
I think that David Icke is a charlatan intent on cashing in on the fears of the unlearned. He is making huge sums of money from his "conferences." --ac

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From Deanne, ESN, to Angie Carlson, July 31, 1999:
Hi Angie,

I wanted to relate to you some more things concerning this David Icke (your statements about him are absolutely correct).
Icke doesn't seem to let it out anymore (as revealed in his earlier books; i.e., Truth Vibrations, 1991), that he is "guided by souls from other dimensions" and is supposed to have "three spirit guides." In the beginning he said that he was the "Messiah" but no longer admits this. He is involved in channeling and condones expressing physical love to all those that we love. He strongly disagrees with Christian patriotism, and believes in disarmament. He believes we are "constantly absorbing magnetic energy from the cosmos, mostly through the chakra at the base of the spine" and he says that the occult is "not negative in or of itself." yet he deceptively denies he's part of the New Age Movement. This is only a sampling from my research on him. He is dangerous and is involved with the occult. I was glad to have the report forwarded to me by the Exit & Support Network. God bless you.
Deanne ESN

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From Angie to Deanne, ESN, July 31, 1999: [all emphasis ours]
Hi Deanne,

I truly appreciate these data, even though it adds to the disgusting repertoire of one icky Icke. Here is one problem concerning him among the great many, I'm sure:
One lady called me a couple of months ago, and in an almost breathless manner, as if I might stop her talking before she finished her desperate attempt to convince me that Icke's new book "revealed the greatest story ever told and that I must read it and write a review of it and tell the few thousand on this list that they must buy this book and live by it." Can you imagine the deception, here, and she said she was a Christian of many many years ??? This woman further told me that all her friends had read the book, many of them are Christians, and that their faith has been greatly enhanced, except that they greatly question Christ's deity, now.
I tried to stay calm, even though thoroughly disgusted, realizing that I was not dealing with a sound mind on the other end of the phone, but a hypnotized and seduced mind. Seduced by Satan's wily ways. For the sake of brevity, let me just tell you that I witnessed to this lost soul and quoted verses by Christ in Matthew 24 and verses from other gospels, that proved Icke was no more than a false prophet, a liar, an emissary of the devil. I showed her and told her to tell her friends that downgrading and nullifying the Godhood of Christ was exactly what Satan's greatest ambitions are, through his demonic emissaries, such as David Icke.
Come to think of it, I emailed the ESN about this lady and asked her to help me further counsel or witness to her and her friends. This confused lady and her friends are now on this list, and have remained, even though I sent out that scathing disclaimer of Icke.
With your permission, I would like to send out your comments, after you may choose to do some brief editing of your more personal words to me. The dastardly David Icke's of the world must be countered in every way possible, I'm sure you agree.
Thanks again, Deanne, and let me know when I can forward your further revelations concerning Icke.

God bless,
ac

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From Deanne, ESN, to Angie Carlson August 1, 1999:

Hi Angie,
Thanks for your reply. Yes, you can forward any notes I send on Icke. I am attaching to this e-mail a page that I wrote in the past that will cover many more points concerning Icke's beliefs. (In the attachment "HWA" stands for "Herbert W. Armstrong" and you can remove this unless you are trying to help someone from the WCG.) I will attach this in Word 6.0 and please let me know if it doesn't open for you. (If you need it, I also saved a short posting that talks about how Icke proclaimed himself "the reborn messiah.")
Icke used to admit that he got his info from spirits, but now he says much of the information has been given by "former high ranking army officers and intelligence personnel." I also came across a piece on the web that said "members of the nazi group C18 have turned up at his meetings and the vast majority of his followers don't appear to be able or willing to recognise Icke for what he is--a fascist." [taken from a web article ecofascism? at

http://web.archive.org/web/20051212170328/http://www.gn.apc.org/gridlock/ecofasc.htm]
I had a similar experience with someone that was very excited with Icke's books. ... What Icke says is capable of destroying one's faith in God and Christ!

Reading books like The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow by Constance Cumbey and Between Christ and Satan by Kurt Koch and then comparing it to the beliefs of Icke in his book, Truth Vibrations will help one to clearly see that Icke's philosophy is nothing but Occult/New Age lies. Icke says he has "new revelations." Well, this is what the occult always claims! I believe that Icke is especially dangerous to those Christians that know about or are researching the NWO. Little do they know that Icke is out to destroy true Christianity!
Let me know if I can help you in any other way. God bless you.
Deanne Exit & Support Network�

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From Deanne, ESN, to Angie Carlson, August 1, 1999:
Angie, I thought you might be able to use these e-mails (pasted below) to minister to any Christians that are deceived by Icke's books. They are some of the things that I said to someone that I was trying to help. I know this Icke stuff is time consuming and crazy, but perhaps it can eventually help someone see the occult/New Age connection and do some research on their own. You can post or forward any of this.
God bless.
DeanneEph. 6:13

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Further info on Icke from Deanne, ESN, 1999:

I am continuing to question his religious views. He believes in reincarnation and Karma and that we have chosen whatever happens to us. He said he had a "vision" and he "felt" what Jesus felt on the cross. (It's odd that the only pain he felt was in the wrists and hands and feet.) He said that what really happened was that Jesus was given a drug on the cross and Joseph of A. bribed here and there to take the body away (which was still alive) where it was nurtured back to health until Jesus was able to go appear to his disciples.
This goes way beyond the "swoon theory." If anyone has read what happens before and during crucifixion, there is no way Jesus could have been tended to and then appeared in perfectly good health to deceive people enough to die terrible deaths for this concocted lie. If Jesus was of the character portrayed in the Bible, how could he have then went and deceived his followers like this? Also, what happened to how the spear was plunged into his side after he had already died? This line of reasoning will eventually cause us to discredit the whole story of Jesus, or to go along with those that say He never lived in the first place. Then what do we have left? If I just look forward to coming back again and again on this earth until I eventually "learn my lessons" and then unite with the "Godhead" as Icke calls it, it doesn't give me much to look forward to then and now.

I want to relate to you some of what I've read so far in Icke's book Truth Vibrations (I did check out Days of Decision also). In Truth Vibrations Icke tells how he had been thinking of the possibility for a year or two that he was linked up or guided by a force from another dimension. Then when he stayed with a couple in Nottingham (who believed in spirit guidance) in 1990, they told him that they had been told (by spirits) to give him a book which was a "spirit message" to him. It was written by a medium about her experiences. Icke later in a hotel room asked outloud that if the spirit was there for it to contact him.
The story goes on about how he had a "tremendous urge" in a bookstore to look at the paperback books and ended up with a book by a medium and a healer. He went to this person for a "session of healing" and to get the answers to these questions. At his 3rd session with her he states how the atmosphere in the room became "charged and thicker." He also tells that "when spirits are trying to 'lock in' to our consciousness, it can feel like a spider's web has been laid across your face." (Something that happened to Icke at this time)
Then this healer "channeled" for Icke a vision of a Chinese spirit named Wang Yee Lee that also said, "Socrates is with me." Among other things this spirit, said that Icke was "a healer who was here to heal the earth, and he will be world-famous." Knowledge was to be put into Icke's mind and also he would be led to knowledge. (Truth Vibrations, pg. 17) Icke was also told that if he abused the gifts they would be "taken away." (But there were also false prophecies by this spirit in this book, such as saying that electric cars would be here in 8 years time, etc.)
Icke believes that "everything has a spirit." There are even "spirits in books" and he said that "all his books have "his spirit in them." (Ibid., pg. 22)

He believes most of the references to reincarnation were taken from the Bible. The idea of karma doesn't add up to me, though, because when you look at India, the birthplace of it, they certainly haven't become more affluent and karma is supposed to "improve them." He also believes in the chakras, and we know that is connected with the Kundulini.
Later by visiting another psychic he was told that his role would be to "help bring about a spiritual revolution," and he would become a "cosmic parent to the planet and humanity." (Ibid., pg. 33) He was told he had the potential to be "incredibly psychic with the ability to channel information down to earth from elsewhere." He had lived many lives before and in one of them he was Anthony Bacon, brother of Francis Bacon. (Ibid., pg. 36). He believes in astrology and that we are affected throughout our lives by the planetary movements.

I've read that the bright and dark sides (known as Lucifer and Satan) are actually different sides of the same evil force. Kind of like a coin. The faces are interchangeable, but the dark side is seldom shown--at least at the first. In history these (evil) gods with many names were known as "the gods of destruction." To reach them offers the potential of enormous powers (which Icke seems to feel he has), but I think the deception to deceive the elect can be great. Anton LeVey believed in a force, which he called the "godhead". Icke believes that "we return to become part of the perfect expression of all those qualities, the Godhead." Icke also uses other words that HWA did like "wavelengths."
Occultic power never seems to be without a price. Most people don't know that the famous medium Arthur Ford ended up as a morphine addict and alcoholic. Many other mediums and channelers also became addicted to drugs or died mysteriously. Edgar Cayce wasted to a mere 60 pounds before he died. Some of his friends thought his strange demise was related to "too many psychic readings, suffering too many psychic attacks, always encountering mysterious fires and emotional torments." This makes me wonder what will eventually happen to Icke? (Granted, if he isn't murdered first like you said.)

Icke talks about freedom and shunning control (certainly good), but by contacting spirits I wonder if he is risking relinquishing control of his own mental faculties?
I have also been wondering if Icke isn't perhaps being used by evil spirit forces to get out a mixed message to the world, kind of like HWA, but with his own spin on it. He believes we should go with "what feels right." He even goes so far as to say that we should express physical love to all those that we love. That could be carrying the love thing a little bit too far.
Occultic powers are never 100% correct. (Even Jung recognized this.) This idea of conjuring up unknown spirits and seeking secret information is what the occult is about and this does trouble me somewhat. These people in the occult have a very good talent and it's called "the Herbert Armstrong style." It was "spin control" and it answered the questions we had about what is truth? What is our destiny? Where are we going? Who was Jesus Christ? Why all the suffering on this earth? The real truth is that we are never going to have all the answers! God doesn't tell us all we may want to know in this lifetime. But He has shown His love for us through His Son and He desires for us to be with Him for all eternity.
In Icke's book, Truth Vibrations, he tells the story about how he went into this old church and as he was looking up at this large picture of Christ it turned lack and starting moving around (except for the face of Christ). Suddenly he felt the sensation of someone pushing a pneumatic drill into the top of his head for about a half a minute. He grabbed a pew as his body vibrated from the top of his head to the base of his spine. Months later he was told that this had been the moment he had received a "gift of energy from one of the "Masters of this planetary system." It was to give him "strength and courage" and "determination to seek the truth," and the "confidence" that he would find it.

Deanne

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NOTE: David Icke fosters many harmful ideas, including the belief that the discovery of a "1958 manuscript" (Gnostic gospel) discredits the Bible. This and other agnostic/Gnostic beliefs have been thoroughly disproved on sites such as Christian ThinkTank and Tekton Apologetics.

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. ~ 1 John 5:20
David Icke's Belief System
Confession and Freedom From Specific Occult/Cult Strongholds
The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow by Constance Cumbey (book)
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Posted to facilitate researchers and others with inquiring minds concerning David Icke


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From http://web.archive.org/web/20051125104149/home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/resrch/ltrsoths/ickeblf.htm


David Icke's Belief System


What Icke exposes about government conspiracies might appear true, but there's so much other New Age/occult garbage in his books; i. e., And the Truth Shall Set You Free, that extreme caution is advised. Each new book that he writes becomes more far-fetched and wackier. We advise readers to beware of David Icke and his books. Here's a short run-down on his beliefs and all has been taken from his own words.

Also read: Report on David Icke



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Believes the earth is being held captive. (Herbert W. Armstrong, false prophet and founder of the Worldwide Church of God, had a booklet titled "A World Held Captive.")



Believes there are "wavelengths." (HWA also taught about "wavelengths.")



Uses the phrase "higher self." (This is a New Age term for deity.)



Went to a [psychic] "healer" in 1990.



Said he was guided by souls from other dimensions.



Stated at first that he was the "Messiah," but no longer says this.



Has involved himself in channeling.



Believes in breaking free of all dogma, including religious "dogma."



Believes in reincarnation.



Believes in expressing physical love to all those that we love.



Strongly disagrees with "Christian patriotism."



Believes we "create our own reality" and we "chose that which has happened to us," even though we can now turn it into a "positive experience."



Doesn't identify the majority of his psychic sources, but instead calls them "an excellent source."



Believes in "following what your heart and intuition tells you."



Believes we are "constantly absorbing magnetic energy from the cosmos, mostly through the chakra at the base of the spine." [This is similar to belief in the Kundalini.]



Believes we are all "healers and all psychic."



Believes we are "all each other, all part of the same whole."



Believes we should "all be working together." [Communism.]



Believes the New Age has made "a positive contribution," but we shouldn't be "sucked into their dogma."



Believes there is a "never-ending flow of knowledge that is ours for the taking."



Believes the planet earth is going through a "transformation."



Believes in "positive extra-terrestrials and negative extra-terrestrials."



Believes the occult is "not negative in or of itself." "It is just the knowledge of the potential to harness the energies of Creation for good or ill..."



Believes that we are all "aspects of the same infinite consciousness that we call God and creation."



Believes that "we can do anything we want to do and be anything we wish to be by just believing it and making it happen."



Believes that "the vibrations of the planets affect us very powerfully."



Believes in astrology.



Believes in psychics.



Believes that it is possible to "think ourselves ill and think ourselves healthy."



Believes aging is only the "reality programmed into the human mind."



Believes "we are our own saviors."



Believes "the planet [earth] is the physical body of a consciousness with a mind and emotions." "She thinks and feels just like we do."



Believes "we are all God." [New Age thinking]



Believes "everyone at death withdraws from their body, their eternal spirit moving on to another wavelength of reality and another world to continue its evolution."



Believes we should "love everyone."



Believes we can "project love." (This is another way of saying "visualization works.")



Believes if we "heal ourselves, we heal the world."



He goes with "his intuition" and "what feels right."




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NOTE: We encourage our readers to check out David Icke's earlier book, Truth Vibrations, which will verify to what we have said. It can also be used as a good study to show his connections to the New Age and the occult.



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Icke proclaimed himself the "reborn Messiah":

From a Web forum post, April 29, 1996:

To: psychoceramics@zikzak.net (Psychoceramics)
Subject: psychoceramics: More about David Icke

Here's some more info about Mr. Icke.

Basically, after years of commentating on middle-of-the-road sports events, he went off to co-found the British Green Party. Then he disappeared. Then, he returned dressed all in turquoise, proclaiming himself the Reborn Messiah. Apparently, he first suspected he was something pretty special when he realised he could always find parking spaces in central London. I can buy that.

Then a little while later, after many many talk show appearances (which were quite excruciating. He said, "Oh, I'm sorry, I'm not really the Messiah, I was mad then." Now he's brought out a book (this is for real) proclaiming the horrors of the Illuminati conspiracy (can't remember the name of this book. Probably brainwiped.)

Jim


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NOTE: David Icke fosters many harmful ideas, including the belief that the discovery of a "1958 manuscript" (Gnostic gospel) discredits the Bible. This and other agnostic/Gnostic beliefs have been thoroughly disproved on sites such as Christian ThinkTank and Tekton Apologetics.



Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins. ~ Colossians 1:13-14





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Report on David Icke

Confession and Freedom From Specific Occult/Cult Strongholds

The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow by Constance Cumby (book)

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Posted to facilitate researchers and others with inquiring minds


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From http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread5510/pg1



David Icke: An Evaluation



I first encountered David Icke's work about a year and a half ago, while researching information on Freemasonry. Needless to say, I was immediately impressed with Icke's site. As many of you can attest, you can literally drown in information and spend hours on end reading about this and that. It's hard to try to group Icke with other Conspiracy Theorists, mainly because of his consistancy and his obvious desire to share much of his information for free. Sure he writes books every now and then, but one gets the sense that selling books isn't his concern. Many of you have probably discovered that much of the information in his books can be found on his site free of charge. Icke doesn't "tease" his readers with excerpts and what have you. In fact he gets quite detailed on many subjects right on his site. I believe this is one of the reasons people believe him to be "the real thing." Another reason is the way he seems to blow the cover off of things that go on in the world in a seemingly logical, factual and most importantly convincing way. I recently read one of his new interviews regarding his book Alice In Wonderland and The WTC Disaster (located on his site), and was blown away by some of the things he unabashedly said. The things he revealed will have you looking over your shoulder as you read on. What made it so spooky was that it made sense, a feat that isn't easy to accomplish, especially when dealing with a subject as questionable as Conspiracy Theory. I suspect that Icke even has many die-hard skeptics secretly pondering his exploits.

Now that due credit has been served, I must tackle the other side of this spectrum. Although much of Icke's work appears sound, honest and well researched, some of his other claims and comments are downright unsettling, to say the least. Claims of intelligent lizards shape-shifting into humans (I'm beginning to think this is some sort of metaphorical code), coupled with an unfounded animosity toward Christianity and religion in general undoubtedly raises some eyebrows. Icke has no problem refuting Christianity based on accounts of child abuse, historic incidents and general hypocrisy. Now, I'll be the first to admit that much of organized Christianity is up to the eyeballs in heresy and hypocrisy. Maybe that's due to the fact that a lot of so-called "Christians," aren't true Christians in the first place. They're all talk and in it to make a profit or just to look like they have morals. Jesus hated hypocrites as much as we do. Icke also convieniently excluded that important historical fact that martyrs were murdered for their belief in Christ. Icke fails to make the distiction between the foolish acts of society and the true meaning of Christianity. He also fails to credit the Bible for predicting the New World Order in Daniel and warning against the mico-chip economic system in Revelation. How can Icke make allegations against the Bible when it warns us about the same things Icke warns us about? If the Bible is a tool of mind control created by the Illuminati, why is the government so adamant about separating church and state and eliminating the Bible from court rooms and schools? They even wanted to go as far as taking the word "God" out of the Pledge and "In God We Trust" off of dollar bills. If anything, it seems to me that the Illuminati views the Bible as a major threat. Also, isn't it ironic that Christianity is the most attacked religion in the world? No one dares make fun of Islam or Hinduism in public for fear of appearing "intolerant" and being seen as a racist bigot.

Few however, seem to have any qualms about kicking Christians around and making statements such as "I don't give a @#!$ about Jesus." Imagine someone saying that about Allah. In fact, "Christ" has over the years evolved into a cuss word. You don't hear people yelling "Buddah!" or "Allah!" when they're ticked off, but surely everyone has heard "Jesus Christ!" and "Goddamn it!" more than once in their lifetime. Point is that this whole "Christ is the culprit" philosophy doesn't stack up, and it's unnerving that someone as intelligent as Icke doesn't see it, while to many others this false assumption is as plain as day. Another disturbing aspect of Icke is some of the comments he makes. Refer back to the AIWL interview. Toward the end, he begins to make some uncomfortable statements that are directed at the reader. First he tells us: "You are Infinite Consciousness. You will always be Infinite Consciousness," (emphasis on the capital letters of "Infinite" and "Consiousness"). Then comes the real kicker. He goes on to say, "You are: All That Is, Ever Has Been, and Ever Will Be." Hold on a second. I assume that most of you are at least partially familiar with certain verses of the Bible. You probably already made the correlation that this statement is strikingly similar to the verse, "I Am the Alpha and the Omega who ever was, ever is and ever will be." Is David Icke actually declaring himself and YOU God?! Isn't this typical Luciferian ideology? The very same ideology that the Illuminati adhere to? What if David Icke is telling the truth, just not in the way we perceive? What if David Icke is one of THEM? What if he broke away from the organization because he believes himself to be smarter than the Illuminati itself? What if he wants to control the world BY HIMSELF? Consider this for a moment. How in the world could Icke know as much as he does unless he has complete access to everything? How is it possible that Icke can go around saying this stuff and even NAMING NAMES without legal action being taken against him? Isn't that basically TREASON? Fact is that once you start naming names, you're up-#-creek and at the very least they would ban his material in the U.S. Free speech is one thing, accusing the President of being a pedophile and a Satanist is another. It doesn't compute. This leads me to the conclusion that he either has permission from someone up there or is some sort of authority himself. He keeps insisting that we think for ourselves, so why shouldn't that include questioning HIM as well? Maybe we don't realize just how true the Alice In Wonderland analogy really is. What we think is never really is and what we think isn't really always is. There is a maze here that goes EVEN DEEPER folks, and I wonder how many of us are smart enough to work our way through it.

-gyrlprodigy

2 comments:

Anonymous said...

I believe David Icke is deceived and not spreading new age propaganda consciously. He is a mislead puppet of the devil. I've used a lot of magic mushrooms which caused me to have the same kind of beliefs and trying to convince others of them. Eventually I did find the bible to be the absolute word of God and I converted, but the previous years I was just a puppet for satan, spreading luciferian lies. We should pray for Icke so that he may know the truth of Christ and use his charisma and convincing power to spread this truth.

Timothy said...

I agree with you.

By Timothy